Pat Robertson...

mkilly · Post by **mkilly** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:05 pm

... has called for the assassination of the democratically elected president of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508220006

This guy says he's a Christian, is the leader of the Christian Coalition, thousands if not millions of Christians think he's a good Christian? Thou shalt not kill? What the fuck?[/url]

Kamakura · Post by **Kamakura** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:38 pm

Pragmatic expediency. Much cheaper than starting a war, saves lots of lives and from a Christian standpoint it could be argued that <insert suitable proverb here>.

If he's making lists he should add Robert Mugabe to it.

Me$$iah · Post by **Me$$iah** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:10 pm

Robertson is a nutjob...and he scares the shit out of me...
I hate him and all his kind with a vengeful fury and anger.
None of them impress me, Hovind, Falwell, Schlafly..
I hate them because they are cunts pure and simple and either are ignorant, stupid or evil. I tend to think the latter about most of these cunts and the second option on the others. I think that Robertson is pure evil. Of course he doesnt mind demanding the killing of a person, why not...hes just been recently 'praying' for a judge any judge 'prefrebly a librel Lord' to die so the chosen one...sorry I mean King GeorgeII can put in a more 'traditional' judge, who will read the constitution the right way. Robertson doesnt v=care about life he cares about power as most of these fuckwads do....

Jesus fuck Im just gonna stop or ill be ranting here for like ever..

HeuristicsInc · Post by **HeuristicsInc** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:55 pm

assassination? i'm ashamed that these people call themselves christians.
-bill

mc3p0 · Post by **mc3p0** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:55 pm

Pat Robertson regularly has back-and-forth conversations with God and directs hurricanes away from his corporate headquarters, what's wrong with that? Oh, aside from the states that the hurricanes wound through, the millions spent on reconstruction, lost CHRISTIAN lives and such. He represents a very powerful policital lobby and is a very, very good friend of President Bush. Among the vast neo-con statements he's made throughout his televised history on both the CBC and it's fabulous The 700 Club, he also repeatedly blames 9-11 on gays, Muslims and "liberals". He also holds ownership of a gold mine in Lybia, is a good friend to MANY military dictators and has been held unaccountable by the rest of Christendom. Regardless, his net value may exceed a billion.

Hugo Chavez is the democratically elected leader of Venezuela, a Catholic, is pro-union and wants to sell gasoline to the US at HALF THE COST we are currently paying. This is a threat to the other "OPEC nations" stranglehold on the US dollar (read DICK CHENEY). This is the reason Robertson called for an illegal assassination of an elected official. What's so hard to appreciate in his sentiment? Just last week Donald Rumsfeld was commenting how they need to remove Hugo Chavez and now Robertson has given the Christian worlds consent.

mc3p0 · Post by **mc3p0** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:07 pm

Oh, and according to the November, 2004 book 'Confessions of an Economic Hit Man', author John Perkins claims that Venezuela, our third-largest oil supplier, not Iraq was slated for invasion as the first part of our "war on terrorism". This is due to the oil, has nothing to do with "liberating the oppressed", WMD's or defending ourselves, unless you construe benefiting the political/corporate interests.

Justincombustion · Post by **Justincombustion** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:26 pm

Yes, look at Iraq: Taking out the "leader" of the problem will solve everything right? Right.
I was looking at my "What Would Jesus Do" bracelet and BINGO!!! I realized that Jesus would call for an assasination!!

Leaf · Post by **Leaf** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:37 pm

First off, CBC???? The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation? don't you mean some other network?

Second... I still believe that Bin Laden is in cohoots with Bush...that the 9/11 attack was commited by American interests to provide a catalyst for war.

I know that 's a harsh accusation, and an uncomfortable one, but sorry... it sure seems that way.

Kamakura · Post by **Kamakura** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:05 pm

Leaf wrote:I still believe that Bin Laden is in cohoots with Bush...

"Any evidence Mulder?" said Scully re-arranging her skirt.

jimtyrrell · Post by **jimtyrrell** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:23 pm

So, after trying to weasel out by claiming to be misinterpreted, Robertson has issued an apology.
No thanks, pal. At best, you're a man of great influence who is capable of the grandest of miscalculations, and it's safest for nobody to listen to you on those grounds.

WeaselSlayer · Post by **WeaselSlayer** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:26 pm

I hate to say this, but someone made that same accusation on a piece of paper they left in my driveway. This paper also informed me that the CIA was actually a secret Nazi organization run by the last Pope (you know... the Polish one. The Polish Nazi Catholic). Um, so I mean just letting you know.

Egg · Post by **Egg** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:34 pm

WeaselSlayer wrote:I hate to say this, but someone made that same accusation on a piece of paper they left in my driveway. This paper also informed me that the CIA was actually a secret Nazi organization run by the last Pope (you know... the Polish one. The Polish Nazi Catholic). Um, so I mean just letting you know.

Are you serious? Send it to FOUND magazine if you are. http://foundmagazine.com/

...and to me.

Hoblit · Post by **Hoblit** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:18 pm

...can go to hell...

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha...

'cause he's a religious leader ...and not a good one...you know..hell...religious...oh forget it.

NeilThrun · Post by **NeilThrun** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:42 pm

I love christianity. You shouldn't do Insert Sin Here because God says it's bad. But its alright if you do it, because God forgives all of us. Whats with the christian right? Theyre all caught up in doing what God wants. Shouldn't they have realized by now he doesn't give a fuck and loves us anyway.

c hack · Post by **c hack** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:46 am

mc3p0 wrote:Oh, and according to the November, 2004 book 'Confessions of an Economic Hit Man', author John Perkins claims that Venezuela, our third-largest oil supplier, not Iraq was slated for invasion as the first part of our "war on terrorism". This is due to the oil, has nothing to do with "liberating the oppressed", WMD's or defending ourselves, unless you construe benefiting the political/corporate interests.

Your avatar prevents me from taking you seriously.

c hack · Post by **c hack** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:53 am

Hoblit wrote: 'cause he's a religious leader

I wouldn't call him a religious leader -- I'd say he's more of a political activist who uses Christianity to further his agenda.

But even if he was, that doesn't necessarily mean he's evil. Look at WWII -- I'm sure many people were praying for the assassination of Hitler, and I wouldn't knock them for it at all.

Now, him praying for the deaths of people on the supreme court, that does necessarily mean he's evil. You can't pray for harm to come to someone -- it's called a curse, then. And him cursing people like that makes him no better than a Satanist. A real Christian would pray that the existing people on the supreme court see the error of their ways.

j$ · Post by j$ » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:10 am

You're comparing people who are part of democratic governments to despots? People who we are not at war with to people we were? Seems like a bit of tenuous argument to me ...

I agree with your last sentence, mind.

j$

Adam! · Post by **Adam!** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:04 pm

j$ wrote:You're comparing people who are part of democratic governments to despots? People who we are not at war with to people we were? Seems like a bit of tenuous argument to me ...

C is using a counterexample to show that praying for the assassination of a leader doesn't necessarily make one evil. It's a sound argument.

- Puce, founding member of the Logic Police

c hack · Post by **c hack** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:29 pm

Except my logic is flawed in another way. What makes praying for Hitler's death okay, but not praying for the deaths of people on the supreme court? Obviously, his policies were much worse, but where do you draw the line? If someone makes a law legalizing abortion, institutes the death penalty, or starts a needless war, is it good (or even okay) to pray for their deaths? Of course not.

So I take it back. Christ says "Love your enemies," and that should include anyone up to and including people like Hitler. Sometimes you have to kill people for the greater good, but you should always hope and pray for a peaceful solution.

Man this world is a fucked up place.

Sorry for the preachiness, just trying to figure out how I felt about this. For the record, I think that calling for the assassination of someone just because he's sitting on a lot of oil and he might become a problem later on down the road is Fucking Evil.

erik · Post by **erik** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:05 pm

NeilThrun wrote:I love christianity. You shouldn't do Insert Sin Here because God says it's bad. But its alright if you do it, because God forgives all of us. Whats with the christian right? Theyre all caught up in doing what God wants. Shouldn't they have realized by now he doesn't give a fuck and loves us anyway.

Shouldn't *you* have realized by now that your understanding of Christian dogma is cursory at best? God does not forgive everyone, God is <em>able</em> to forgive anyone. Doesn't mean he has to do it, and it doesn't mean that God can't create requirements for forgiveness (like belieiving in him, repenting your sins, and asking God for forgiveness). Being loved isn't the end all, be all of everything. God may love everyone, but he doesn't let everyone into Heaven. Being loved by God is probably a small consolation while spending an eternity in Hell.

I am an athiest.

john m · Post by **john m** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:09 pm

I agree with pretty much all c hack has said.

Anyway, we should kill Pat Robertson, then.

NeilThrun · Post by **NeilThrun** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:27 pm

erikb wrote:
NeilThrun wrote:I love christianity. You shouldn't do Insert Sin Here because God says it's bad. But its alright if you do it, because God forgives all of us. Whats with the christian right? Theyre all caught up in doing what God wants. Shouldn't they have realized by now he doesn't give a fuck and loves us anyway.
Shouldn't *you* have realized by now that your understanding of Christian dogma is cursory at best? God does not forgive everyone, God is <em>able</em> to forgive anyone. Doesn't mean he has to do it, and it doesn't mean that God can't create requirements for forgiveness (like belieiving in him, repenting your sins, and asking God for forgiveness). Being loved isn't the end all, be all of everything. God may love everyone, but he doesn't let everyone into Heaven. Being loved by God is probably a small consolation while spending an eternity in Hell.

I am an athiest.

I guess that depends on your denomination of christianity. I was raised a Lutheran. They believe that all you have to do to get into heave is accept Jesus as your savior.

Regardless I hope you understood my meaning of my prior comment. Why do they care? Theyre saved, why do they feel to the need to "fix" people?

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