From that article, their conclusion seems to be that bees actually AREN'T using deductive reasoning, it's just that the experiment made a Pavlovian response look like it was, and really it's just that bees are capable of forming second-order associations (which other animals are also capable of).
Still pretty neat to see science in action though!
I don't want to poo poo an article that is interesting...that's a fun little article but apparently the author is not familiar with honey dancing (the way they tell each other detailed instructions to nectar and pollin sometimes two miles away, described relative to the position of the sun) and the large-scale (10s of thousands) democratic practices that every honeybee hive is involved in. It's absolutely mind blowing. They call 160 bees an experiment? Try hand tagging thousands of bees for each of hundreds of hives. This is a great book for getting one's mind blown: Honeybee Democracy
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THis is quite embarrassing - but I will post it anyway. It is after all a bit sciencey.
Here is a video of a presentation I did a few weeks ago at the Uni of Southern Qld talking about a plan to replace all of Australia's fossil fuel generated electricity with renewable resources in 10 years:
It is quite long and a bit technical, but in the context of Songfight, it does show just how appalling I am as a "performer" when I don't have a guitar hanging around my neck. Even though I am probably a better engineer than I am a musician (at least, I am paid better as one), I think would have been much happier singing a few songs than talking about technical stuff.
You seem to be a good speaker, John. Molten salt? That's a new one for me. A couple questions.
I'm all for the use of solar for everything in place of fossil fuels, but those plants are huge for what they can supply. Similar to the windmill fields we have here.
Why not use that plant to create the power needed to create a power supply for the production of hydrogen? Instead of making electricity that goes directly to it's final destination, why not send it to a destination that multiplies it for hundreds of final destinations? It would be like telling the genie on your third wish that you want infinite wishes.
It seems that the draw back to hydrogen power, from things I've read, is that it still needs a an energy source to produce it that is run from fossil fuels, etc. It seem like a solar plant like you are explaining would be a great power supply for hydrogen production, which then can be stored in thousands of storage cells.
Speaking of solar power, I've been finally reading O'Neill's The High Frontier, which is all about the practicality of colonizing space itself, taking advantage of many of the properties of space to ease solar power generation and find huge agricultural efficiencies.
Billy's Little Trip wrote:You seem to be a good speaker, John. Molten salt? That's a new one for me. A couple questions.
I'm all for the use of solar for everything in place of fossil fuels, but those plants are huge for what they can supply. Similar to the windmill fields we have here.
Why not use that plant to create the power needed to create a power supply for the production of hydrogen? Instead of making electricity that goes directly to it's final destination, why not send it to a destination that multiplies it for hundreds of final destinations? It would be like telling the genie on your third wish that you want infinite wishes.
That's actually not a very efficient thing to do- you lose a lot of energy to heat. It'd be far better to get efficient long-term electricity storage (which graphene capacitors are very promising for) and just power things with the electricity directly.
Billy's Little Trip wrote:
Why not use that plant to create the power needed to create a power supply for the production of hydrogen? Instead of making electricity that goes directly to it's final destination, why not send it to a destination that multiplies it for hundreds of final destinations? It would be like telling the genie on your third wish that you want infinite wishes.
It sounds like you might be describing fusion energy, which is what makes the Sun shine, but it's not (the last time I checked) anywhere close to feasible here on Earth.
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Billy's Little Trip wrote:
Why not use that plant to create the power needed to create a power supply for the production of hydrogen? Instead of making electricity that goes directly to it's final destination, why not send it to a destination that multiplies it for hundreds of final destinations? It would be like telling the genie on your third wish that you want infinite wishes.
It sounds like you might be describing fusion energy, which is what makes the Sun shine, but it's not (the last time I checked) anywhere close to feasible here on Earth.
I was assuming that by "hydrogen production" he meant the electrolysis of water into molecular hydrogen and oxygen. Also, fusion doesn't produce hydrogen, it produces helium FROM hydrogen.
