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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby Lunkhead » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:12 pm

Don't forget the link to the now non-existent wiki from the http://songfight.org/ :)
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby jb » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:00 pm

Let's wait to see if anyone notices...
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby Generic » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:05 pm

Well, I noticed, but I felt like I was being enough of a bother already... :-)
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby Generic » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:23 pm

Generic wrote:Here's a request:

Can someone with more knowledge than I've got help out with this page? http://sfbase.net/wiki/Category:Live_Fight_titles

I know most, but not all of the live fights...

"Hot Lunch" (San Francisco, 2001, not archived on the site)
??? (Lancaster, 2002)
"Unless I Change My Mind" (Seattle, 2003)
"The Chair We Share" (Austin, 2004)
??? (Boston, 2005)
"All Tan" (Santa Cruz, 2006)
??? (Atlanta, 2007)
??? (Tampa, 2008)

"They Meet" (Spokane, 2009)
"Hello My Old Heart" (San Francisco, 2010)
"Isle Dauphine" (New York, 2011)
"Strictly Speaking" (Seattle, 2012)

I don't even know if there was a live fight in Lancaster 2002 (anyone?), because that live show happened around the time Collin got sick of running the site. The optional challenge on all of these was "Live Recording."


I've just fleshed out the "Live Fights" page, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to add other pages to the category. MG, are you familiar with this process? Never mind, I figured it out.

I've entered in who provided the title when I know it, as well as who won the live fight where I know it. I can attest that this information is 100% accurate where provided, my knowledge is incomplete.

I know that the organizer of the event typically supplies the live fight title, but I don't know how far back this tradition goes, and there are some years where I'm not sure who did it. I assume "Isle Dauphine" was a Niveous title, but I left that information out because I'm not completely sure. I also assume that Spud came up with "Strictly Speaking," but again, not 100%. I don't know who came up with "Hello My Old Heart." I would have guessed fluffy, except that I was at a baseball game with him when that title got posted, and he was just as surprised as anyone about it.

I remember the winner of the Live Fight for every SFL I've been to, but I never knew who won for any of the ones I wasn't at. I'd appreciate if someone could hand down this tribal knowledge. :)

Also, I know that Glennny's band won in San Francisco, but I don't recall what his band name was. Anyone remember?
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby Lunkhead » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:36 pm

2005 winner was C Hack I believe.

I thought Jonathan Mann won the 2010 SF! Live fight in SF?
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby Generic » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:41 pm

Lunkhead wrote:2005 winner was C Hack I believe.

I thought Jonathan Mann won the 2010 SF! Live fight in SF?


If the "fight" was the size of the crowd that came just for him, then he won by a lot. But most of his fans left right after the show, so they weren't around to vote for him in the live fight. If I'm not mistaken, it was down to Glennny and Jonathan, and whoever was judging (pretty sure that was Spud) called it narrowly for Glennny.

Anyway, that's how I remember it, but I could be wrong. If a few other people who were there could weigh in, we can edit the page with whatever the consensus is.

Frustratingly, that year I think there was no official set of live recordings, so most of the people in the live fight aren't in the fight on the page.
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby fluffy » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:42 pm

You remember wr... differently than me. In my recollection Jonathan won.
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby Generic » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:44 pm

Fair enough. Now it's two to one. I'll change it to show Jonathan winning, unless some other folks come out of the woodwork who agree with my recollection.
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby Generic » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:00 pm

Niveous wrote:And there's also 2008's "Cute Boots" which was a livefight but for a SFP not an SFL.


Hey, Niv, where was that show, and did it have a title besides "Song Fight! Presents"?
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby Spud » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:49 pm

It seems a thought there is some action needed. Could someone tell me what it is?
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby Lunkhead » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:56 pm

Spud, I think the only thing left is that the "JB'S SONGFIGHT WIKI" link on http://songfight.org/ can be removed, as JB deactivated that wiki.
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby jb » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:33 pm

Generic wrote:Well, I noticed, but I felt like I was being enough of a bother already... :-)


If you noticed THAT much, you'd have deleted the spam. ;)
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby Niveous » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:46 am

Generic wrote:
Niveous wrote:And there's also 2008's "Cute Boots" which was a livefight but for a SFP not an SFL.


Hey, Niv, where was that show, and did it have a title besides "Song Fight! Presents"?


That SFP was a two night stay at Goodbye Blue Monday in the Bedford Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn. It was just Songfight Presents NYC, no catchy rhymey title.

And I didn't come up with either of the live fight titles related to the NYC shows.
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby Generic » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:11 am

Niveous wrote:
And I didn't come up with either of the live fight titles related to the NYC shows.


Huh, okay. Was that Roymond or Ben, then?

I do remember having a conversation with Glenn in Spokane about why the live fight title had been posted late that year, and it was because Glenn hadn't known that the live fight title was supposed to be provided by the organizer. I also know that he was the one who came up with "They Meet" because he and Rachel have matching Pac-Man tattoos.

The following year, in San Francisco, I remember talking to fluffy about this, and his not being sure whether supplying the title was his responsibility, or one of the other Bay Area contingent. To this day, I'm not sure who did come up with that title. Did BZL provide the title "I Know My Rights?" Did Jack Shite provide the title "All Tan?" Did JB come up with "Thank God For Memphis" (probably)? Was "Calico Alley" Hoblit's suggestion? And did Spud come up with "Strictly Speaking?"

Also, still waiting to hear from someone who was at the Lancaster show (JB?) to find out whether there was a live fight at all that year.

So, I'm not really sure how far back that "tradition" goes, or whether it's still active.... This might also be germane since I'm hosting one of these shindigs in a month; should I provide a title in a few weeks?
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby fluffy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:10 pm

In the case of SFSF, there were so many cooks in the pot that we couldn't come to a quick consensus on the title. Or anything else, really. I think Spud stepped in and came up with Hello My Old Heart. Historically it's been the (single) organizer who provides the title. Usually.

I wasn't at SF Lancaster but in my archive of the recordings there's no livefight. The event name was "Song Fight Plain & Tall."

The original Song Fight Live in San Francisco had a few live fights, which were impromptu with audience-provided titles. Hot Lunch and Third Wheel made it into recordings. However, the first three SFLs were primarily done in a "live fight" format to begin with, since there was enough overlap between the bands' titles that the... er... Fight Jockey would select a title and have each band come up and play that song in turn. When the events and title list got too large for that (Seattle '03 was barely manageable like that, Austin '04 would have been impossible) the SFL format switched to the short-set format we all know and love today, and kept the one-final-live-fight-for-the-event thing to keep continuity with the Song Fight format.
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby Niveous » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:47 pm

Generic wrote:
Niveous wrote:
And I didn't come up with either of the live fight titles related to the NYC shows.


Huh, okay. Was that Roymond or Ben, then?


Cute Boots was thought up by Spud, I believe.
Isle Dauphine was thought up by JB.
I had no clue that the live fight titles were to be thought up by the organizer, so in both instances, I asked the fightmasters for titles and ta-da.

Oh and before you ask, SFP: NYC v2 didn't have a livefight.
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby Generic » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:58 pm

fluffy wrote:In the case of SFSF, there were so many cooks in the pot that we couldn't come to a quick consensus on the title. Or anything else, really. I think Spud stepped in and came up with Hello My Old Heart. Historically it's been the (single) organizer who provides the title. Usually.

I wasn't at SF Lancaster but in my archive of the recordings there's no livefight. The event name was "Song Fight Plain & Tall."

The original Song Fight Live in San Francisco had a few live fights, which were impromptu with audience-provided titles. Hot Lunch and Third Wheel made it into recordings. However, the first three SFLs were primarily done in a "live fight" format to begin with, since there was enough overlap between the bands' titles that the... er... Fight Jockey would select a title and have each band come up and play that song in turn. When the events and title list got too large for that (Seattle '03 was barely manageable like that, Austin '04 would have been impossible) the SFL format switched to the short-set format we all know and love today, and kept the one-final-live-fight-for-the-event thing to keep continuity with the Song Fight format.


Okay, cool. I knew most of that. I had no idea that there'd been multiple "live fights" at the first one. But hey, I got my info from Wikipedia. :-)
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Re: Official Unofficial Wiki Thread (SFBase.net)

Postby fluffy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:15 pm

I don't know how many people did songs for the two titles I know of at SFLive 2001 (which, incidentally, had a semi-official title of Song Fight: Left Coast) but I have the following live entries:

Hot Lunch:
Kissing Contest
Milwaukee Youth Center Choir
Frankie Big Face
Rejected Gift (I don't know who they were known as normally)
JBB

Third Wheel:
JBB
MYCC

Rejected Gift also performed the first part of a brand-new "Stronger Than" which had to be cut short because the audience liked it too much.

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