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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:00 am
by Leaf
jack shite wrote:i think you need to keep in mind that what's "best" for a 19 year old is probably not going to be what's best for a 40-something guy. we come from different generations. why even argue the point. it's stupid. it's all just opinions.



No DUDE. These are all facts. FACTS. And if you can't handle that, you just better move along buddy.


Freakin 40 year olds, don't know what's best for them.

The Flinstones.

I'd like to consider this as a sitcom, since we're throwing in the Simpsons and such. Don't tell me that show didn't occupy some afternoons.

While we're at it... I guess Sesame Street isn't a sitcom, but it certainly deserves some props for teaching me how to connect "b" and "us".

And now the secret's out on why my on-line spelling and grammar are so stellar....

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:04 am
by Leaf
Generic wrote:. Could you articulate it without bringing historical importance into it, or is it simple preference at that point?



...dude you amaze me at times. Seriously... to me, you are twisted. This is the TV forum.... TV!!!



...I love it.

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:08 am
by jb
Leaf wrote:The Flinstones.

I'd like to consider this as a sitcom, since we're throwing in the Simpsons and such. Don't tell me that show didn't occupy some afternoons.


Oh my god do I hate the Flintstones. Hate Hate Hate.

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:25 am
by erik
Here's what I hate about the Flintstones: they switch Barney voices on us, and just expect us to not notice, or maybe not care. Freaked me out.

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:49 am
by Eric Y.
dick york? dick sargent? wtf!?

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:35 am
by j$
Jim of Seattle wrote:
j$ wrote:you're wrong...


Jim, i've often seen you expressing disquietude at the reactions some of your discussion points raise. Well, if you can't tell the huge huge difference between 'I disagree' and 'You're wrong' then perhaps you're a little too defensive to be starting up discussions such as these.

I hate being mis-quoted/ inaccurately represented.

Just a heads-up

And seeing as I am now a Respected Member of the Community, I am obviously, always right. Tsk, what's a curmudgeonly old misanthrope like me to do?

j$

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:07 am
by Jim of Seattle
Yeah, I thought of that when I wrote it. I was in a flippant mood. Sorryboutthat.

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:08 am
by j$
No problem!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:24 am
by Generic
Leaf wrote:
Generic wrote:. Could you articulate it without bringing historical importance into it, or is it simple preference at that point?



...dude you amaze me at times. Seriously... to me, you are twisted. This is the TV forum.... TV!!!



...I love it.


I didn't think I'd wind up making so many posts of the TV section. But I didn't expect it to be so intellectual. Is it just me, or are we a bit tantrum-prone lately? Sheesh.

While I'm thinking about it, Jack, I'm not nineteen, dorkface. Not for another two weeks, anyway. :wink:

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:32 am
by j$
Generic wrote:Is it just me, or are we a bit tantrum-prone lately? Sheesh:


Hey Jon, do you think the number of times you end up making this post, or variations on it, might suggest something that needs considering in your own overall style? Probably not, unfortunately ...

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:37 am
by Generic
Voila.

[EDIT: No, in fact, rather than being a little twat about it, perhaps I should explain a little more thoroughly. I make that post, or a variation on it every time I see the variation on "Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean one of us is right." And it wouldn't be so annoying if it weren't the same people making the revalation that... Wow! We can disagree without hating each other! But first arguing for a few posts about who's wronger than whom.

I'm sure that won't satisfy you, but that's how I see it, at least.]

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:54 am
by fodroy
i forgot all about the king of queens. great sitcom.

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:09 am
by jb
fodroy wrote:i forgot all about the king of queens. great sitcom.


TOP 5 OF ALL TIME????????

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:42 am
by jack
for me (and by default my list), the top 5 really needs to be monumental, groundbreaking. taking chances. and maybe most importantly, spawning a bunch of really bad copycat shows.

more than anything, the common denominator for me is absolutely brilliant writing, which often reflects society at the time, but also transcends the period to the point where the show doesn't become "dated". the humor transcends the time. and usually, the writing and humor is full of things we see in ourselves and our lives. it's real, even if it might be a cartoon where the characters never age a day.

and i hate the king of queens.

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:17 pm
by jb
I hate King of Queens for completely wasting the brilliant Nicole Sullivan.

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:17 pm
by Henrietta
Not <i>the greatest</i> but...

Top 5 primetime network shows that defined my childhood:

The Dukes of Hazard
Mork & Mindy
Family Ties
The Cosby Show
and....Alf?!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:53 pm
by Leaf
Generic wrote:
Leaf wrote:
Generic wrote:. Could you articulate it without bringing historical importance into it, or is it simple preference at that point?



...dude you amaze me at times. Seriously... to me, you are twisted. This is the TV forum.... TV!!!



...I love it.


I didn't think I'd wind up making so many posts of the TV section. But I didn't expect it to be so intellectual. Is it just me, or are we a bit tantrum-prone lately? Sheesh.

While I'm thinking about it, Jack, I'm not nineteen, dorkface. Not for another two weeks, anyway. :wink:




uh... like I said....

"tantrum-prone" segueing into "dorkface".... yep. You're twisted.

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:59 pm
by Jim of Seattle
jack shite wrote:for me (and by default my list), the top 5 really needs to be monumental, groundbreaking. taking chances. and maybe most importantly, spawning a bunch of really bad copycat shows.


You put The Andy Griffith Show on your list. Don't you actually mean Mayberry RFD? TAGS was really a weaker spinoff of the original show. I agree MRFD should be way up there. But do you think that one was groundbreaking or historically important, or was it just good?

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:05 pm
by jack
Jim of Seattle wrote:
jack shite wrote:for me (and by default my list), the top 5 really needs to be monumental, groundbreaking. taking chances. and maybe most importantly, spawning a bunch of really bad copycat shows.


You put The Andy Griffith Show on your list. Don't you actually mean Mayberry RFD? TAGS was really a weaker spinoff of the original show. I agree MRFD should be way up there. But do you think that one was groundbreaking or historically important, or was it just good?


i think you have it backwards. mayberry RFD was the color versions that were not that good. the black and white andy griffith shows were the best.

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:39 pm
by Caravan Ray
jack shite wrote:for me (and by default my list), the top 5 really needs to be monumental, groundbreaking. taking chances. and maybe most importantly, spawning a bunch of really bad copycat shows.

more than anything, the common denominator for me is absolutely brilliant writing, which often reflects society at the time, but also transcends the period to the point where the show doesn't become "dated". the humor transcends the time. and usually, the writing and humor is full of things we see in ourselves and our lives. it's real, even if it might be a cartoon where the characters never age a day.

and i hate the king of queens.


General agreement - but for me the major criteria for making the top 5 list is repeated watchability.

I plan to pack a emergency pack of DVD's of my Top 5 ready for the day when I may be shipwrecked alone on a desert island with only a coconut powered television to amuse myself (and no, I wont be adding Gilligan's Island to the list)

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:49 pm
by Jim of Seattle
jack shite wrote:
Jim of Seattle wrote:
jack shite wrote:for me (and by default my list), the top 5 really needs to be monumental, groundbreaking. taking chances. and maybe most importantly, spawning a bunch of really bad copycat shows.


You put The Andy Griffith Show on your list. Don't you actually mean Mayberry RFD? TAGS was really a weaker spinoff of the original show. I agree MRFD should be way up there. But do you think that one was groundbreaking or historically important, or was it just good?


i think you have it backwards. mayberry RFD was the color versions that were not that good. the black and white andy griffith shows were the best.


Oh, you're right. I had it backwards.

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:54 pm
by jack
Jim of Seattle wrote:
jack shite wrote:
Jim of Seattle wrote:
jack shite wrote:for me (and by default my list), the top 5 really needs to be monumental, groundbreaking. taking chances. and maybe most importantly, spawning a bunch of really bad copycat shows.


You put The Andy Griffith Show on your list. Don't you actually mean Mayberry RFD? TAGS was really a weaker spinoff of the original show. I agree MRFD should be way up there. But do you think that one was groundbreaking or historically important, or was it just good?


i think you have it backwards. mayberry RFD was the color versions that were not that good. the black and white andy griffith shows were the best.


Oh, you're right. I had it backwards.


and as far as TAGS being monumental or groundbreaking, that might be a stretch, but it remains a personal favorite. growing up in the south, the show showed good common sense (dare i say it?) family values, while remaining extremely funny and original.

hell, the main character was a sheriff who didn't carry a gun but always came out on top by being resourceful and patient. something to be said for that.