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The outcome of yesterday's election surprised me. I know we have at least one active Songfighter based in the U.K., probably others out there who aren't coming to my mind right away. What's your take on the referendum?
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I'm not super informed about it. My gut reaction is that it doesn't bode well for the UK or the EU or the world. :/ I'd definitely also be curious to hear from a UK resident about it, particularly j$. I don't really know anybody personally outside of Song Fight! who lives in the UK.
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Too soon, guys, sorry I can't talk about it without welling up in tears or interrupting my desperate plans to find a way out. It's a disaster. I live in London, campaigned for the Labour remain group and my borough voted 79.1% remain. Which makes it all the harder to take that the countryside took this from the cities. Give me a few days, I might be able to be a bit more objective but right now, it's just too fucking depressing. The short answer is I believe a lot of people took this as a vote on austerity without really realising that the EU was at worse a mere symptom of a global problem and have now made it themselves much poorer. Careful what you wish for.

But as I say I am a European, a federalist and pro-immigration, so I am biased. I believe the members of Macaque Attack are also England-based. Maybe they can add their tuppenceworth. I know Andy Balham (a previous songfighter) is as devastated as I am.

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j$ wrote:Too soon, guys, sorry I can't talk about it without welling up in tears or interrupting my desperate plans to find a way out. It's a disaster. I live in London, campaigned for the Labour remain group and my borough voted 79.1% remain. Which makes it all the harder to take that the countryside took this from the cities. Give me a few days, I might be able to be a bit more objective but right now, it's just too fucking depressing. The short answer is I believe a lot of people took this as a vote on austerity without really realising that the EU was at worse a mere symptom of a global problem and have now made it themselves much poorer. Careful what you wish for.

But as I say I am a European, a federalist and pro-immigration, so I am biased. I believe the members of Macaque Attack are also England-based. Maybe they can add their tuppenceworth. I know Andy Balham (a previous songfighter) is as devastated as I am.

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:( Ugh. Sounds awful. Hang in there!
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j$ wrote: my borough voted 79.1% remain.
Yeah - I have seen some graphics of voting patters and it is amazing. London and and places like inner city Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Bristol etc...all voting strongly "remain" - but outside these areas, especially in what I imagine are the traditional 'blue-collar' areas I gather there is a slide to the right and UKiP. Seems to have been a very polarising question.

The ascendency of things like UKiP in the UK and Trump in the US does not bode well for our federal election next Saturday.
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Yup. More proof it's London vs England. And Scotland, Northern Ireland, Liverpool, Manchester Bristol et al. versus England and Wales as well. It's such a fucking shame. I am currently seeing if mainland Europe can stand another wave of refugees ;)

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I kind of surmised that this would be your reaction, j$. I'm really sorry to hear that. Being an ugly American, I was really unsure about which outcome was the "right" one, and what the implications of "leave" vs "remain" would have been... until I saw the reactions of the general public in social media and the news the day after the election. Particularly this article.

Oh, and someone else shared a collection of Tweets and Facebook posts about a horrible wave of bald-faced racist reactions that Muslims, Polish people, and people of color in the U.K. got over the weekend.

The parallels between UKIP and Trump are startlingly stark. I hope things work out for you, j$.
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Meanwhile, in one of the most perplexing decisions to happen since Brexit, Boris Johnson appoints Australia’s worst ex-PM as trade envoy.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... rade-envoy
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crumpart wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:57 pm
Meanwhile, in one of the most perplexing decisions to happen since Brexit, Boris Johnson appoints Australia’s worst ex-PM as trade envoy.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... rade-envoy
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Lol (accompanied by crying).
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Thanks Brexiters. Fucken thanks, you shitheads.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/edit ... -1.4530333
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crumpart wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:08 am
Thanks Brexiters. Fucken thanks, you shitheads.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/edit ... -1.4530333
WTF?!? That shit isn’t starting again is it? Where are you Crump? I was in Omagh (my ex wife’s fathers home) and Clare (my great great grandfathers home) in 2010 - the Troubles seemed long gone then...
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Caravan Ray wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:28 am
crumpart wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:08 am
Thanks Brexiters. Fucken thanks, you shitheads.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/edit ... -1.4530333
WTF?!? That shit isn’t starting again is it? Where are you Crump? I was in Omagh (my ex wife’s fathers home) and Clare (my great great grandfathers home) in 2010 - the Troubles seemed long gone then...
All the way down in Cork, thankfully. As far away as possible. Clare is also where my great-great-grandparents came from. There was a fleeting moment in July or August last year where we could travel outside our own county, and we had bought a secondhand mixing console from someone up that way, so drove up and stopped at the tiny town where the old family were from along the way. Got to have a good look through the cemetery, which was pretty interesting.

No big clashes in NI since that last report, thankfully. There's always a bit of an undercurrent fuelled by a small minority; disadvantage playing out as "patriotism". Basically poor, uneducated kids without many prospects acting out, and shitty adults encouraging them. And Arlene Foster (leader of the DUP) is a terrible, terrible leader who continues to make bad decisions and stir up bullshit.
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