Can we sue God?

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erik wrote:No, I get all that. But can you really sue something that's not a person/organization?
But God is a person. The Nicene Creed is very clear on that point. "He became man". Unless you are saying that 2 billion Christians in the world are liars and are able to demonstrate that they are lying when they make an affirmation of their faith - how can you say God is not a person?

He also has many organisations which represent his interests. If we just consider the Catholic Church, it is very much a physical corporate entity with very real assets. The Nicene Creed is effectively a policy statement for the organisation ie. it the Pope is the representative of a real, living person who has real financial assets (managed by his representatives).

Why can't he be sued?
1. This would depend on which religion you were going by. Not all believers in God believe that he ever manifested as a person.
No - but Christianity does - it is a fundamental tenet of the religion. God became man, died and rose from the dead. There are organisations who are - 'in good faith', representing the interests of a living man and managing assets on his behalf. If they can't be sued, then are these organisations acting fraudulently?

Hoblit wrote: 2. He would still not have any estate. Akin to suing William Shakespear.

I'm no lawyer but just because a whole bunch of people still follow the Nazi party, can you take them to court for crimes Hitler performed? (Even if we wish we could!)
Shakespeare and Hitler are dead. The Christian God - by definition - isn't. Modern Nazis may be inspired by Hitler - but they do not act on his personal behalf, under his instructions. The Pope, by the doctrine of Papal infallibility is a conduit for actions by the Holy Spirit. This is a living God, making real-time decisions in the modern world and commmunicating them through a proxy. Why can't he be sued?
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erik wrote: Jesus is a dead person.
10 million fish-shaped bumper stickers say you are wrong.
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Those bumper stickers show that ideas can live on after someone dies. Just because some people want to adorn their cars with Christian symbology doesn't mean that God is a man who is currently alive.

Pop quiz time:

Who's the oldest living man? (Psssst, unless you say "Jesus", you think all Christians are liars!)

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i think people are confusing jesus with god.

jesus is the alleged "son of god".

i don't believe god ever manifested itself as a man. even when moses allegedly communicated with god, he was a burning bush, or a voice from the sky or something like that.

and suing god, do you really think he'll show up? he's got much more stuff on his plate i think than to worry about frivolous lawsuits.

like world hunger. poverty. diseases without cures. heavy stuff.
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Caravan Ray wrote:
jack wrote:if god is omnipotent, he already knows the verdict.
I think he knows the verdict because he is omniscient, but being omnipotent means he can also change it :?

But if he changes the verdict then his omnisciense was wrong.
Unless he knew he was gonna change it, but then hes a slave to omnisciencse and thus impotent.

Damn I dont understand omnigods, they are illogical.
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look, it's the messiah. he's alive! :)
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Ummm, it's part of Christian dogma that Jesus is part of the Holy Trinity that is God.
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erik wrote:Pop quiz time:
Who's the oldest living man?

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Mr. Cilantro...My wife's grandmother is 103, and I think that's pretty cool. Not the oldest person or anything, but the President called on her 100th birthday, so at least he's paying attention (OK, his handlers' interns paid attention).
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jack wrote:i think people are confusing jesus with god.

jesus is the alleged "son of god".

i don't believe god ever manifested itself as a man.

and suing god, do you really think he'll show up? he's got much more stuff on his plate i think than to worry about frivolous lawsuits.

like world hunger. poverty. diseases without cures. heavy stuff.
In Christianity, The father, the son, and the holy spirit (ghost) are all the same...or as to say... all a part of each other... (which is only the explanation as to why its be illustrated as God manifestation yadda yadda)

And yeah...personally...I think we're ALL too busy for frivolous lawsuits.
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jack wrote: and suing god, do you really think he'll show up? he's got much more stuff on his plate i think than to worry about frivolous lawsuits.

like world hunger. poverty. diseases without cures. heavy stuff.
I don't know - he was busy that week he made the Universe, but it all seems fairly automated now and it runs itself. I mean, he finds time to put family members faces on pieces of toast - so there must be some down-time from all that God-stuff.
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Caravan Ray wrote:
jack wrote: and suing god, do you really think he'll show up? he's got much more stuff on his plate i think than to worry about frivolous lawsuits.

like world hunger. poverty. diseases without cures. heavy stuff.
I don't know - he was busy that week he made the Universe, but it all seems fairly automated now and it runs itself. I mean, he finds time to put family members faces on pieces of toast - so there must be some down-time from all that God-stuff.
Ha, God is a programmer in a sense. He's in a tiny cubicle somewhere on the other side of the universe. Yeah, sure his code, once completed runs itself for the most part but it is buggy. However, he'll tackle the big problems closer to the deadline, for now he'll spend time on fark.com and put faces on toast to burn up the rest of the day after lunch.
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jack wrote:i think people are confusing jesus with god.

jesus is the alleged "son of god".

i don't believe god ever manifested itself as a man.
I think Erik and Hoblit have already addressed this, but let me jump in and say, yeah, that assertion is completely inaccurate, as far as any Christian church you ask is concerned. I don't know why the term "Son of God" even gets used, because it doesn't really make much sense. Jesus is God. He was a manifestation of God in human form. Not some love child with Mary.
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Caravan Ray wrote:I don't know - he was busy that week he made the Universe, but it all seems fairly automated now and it runs itself. I mean, he finds time to put family members faces on pieces of toast - so there must be some down-time from all that God-stuff.
That's the Coppertone Girl, not the virgin Mary!


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roymond wrote:
Caravan Ray wrote:I don't know - he was busy that week he made the Universe, but it all seems fairly automated now and it runs itself. I mean, he finds time to put family members faces on pieces of toast - so there must be some down-time from all that God-stuff.
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maybe there is a god.

i love how the photographer framed the fan as a halo. :)
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erik wrote:He might as well have sued gravity.
But gravity actually exists.
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