2008: Dec 15-16

Complain about your schedule. Apparently people like that sort of thing.
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by Caravan Ray » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:50 pm

Just thought of somethink else that annoys me:

Although it isn't actually wrong - I hate when people use "orientated" instead of "oriented". And "utilise" instead of "use".
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by fluffy » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:06 pm

I really hate "hierarchical" as opposed to "hierarchal." Even though "hierarchical" is correct and "hierarchal" is not. The correct form seems clumsy while the wrong one seems like the proper derivation from "hierarchy."
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by Billy's Little Trip » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:18 pm

I hate when people use the word "again" but pronouncing it "agayn".
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by Spud » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:32 pm

fluffy wrote:I really hate "hierarchical" as opposed to "hierarchal." Even though "hierarchical" is correct and "hierarchal" is not. The correct form seems clumsy while the wrong one seems like the proper derivation from "hierarchy."
I could not disagree more with that one. Hierarchal just sounds silly to me. Like it's missing something.
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by Caravan Ray » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:35 am

Billy's Little Trip wrote:I hate when people use the word "again" but pronouncing it "agayn".
and "e-moo" instead of "emu"


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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by Rabid Garfunkel » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:56 am

Ah... a thread filled with intellectual hatred. Just the thing to chase away the nightmare of Christian Right Soldiers wanting to cut off my nipples for trophies. (Huh? I don't get it either, but it made sense in nightmare space. So now I'm more awake than I'd prefer to be this early in the morning.)

Data v. Datum.

"Why don't you download that to me."

Agreed on the orientate. Where's your map, you fucking retard?

Did anyone mention the to/too/two terrible trio?

That's another thing that pisses me off. Automatic spell correction. Want to give the impression of being an uttering (sic) idiot? Turn that shit on and don't re-read what you're about to send to the world at large. It's a positive feedback system for idiocy.

Good morning! :twisted:

Double spaces piss me off too. Are you setting type in a monospaced font Mr. Fucking Genius Designer? Are you doing layout for a law firm, or anyone else with very specific rules of style? No... you're a schmuck laying out 2 color postcards for your mother's real estate business in fucking Microsoft Publisher. With JPEGs for your logos/artwork that you think will color separate because hey, looky there, it's blue and black on the screen, right? You sure spotted that color, sport.

Okay, someone's going to bust me on font v. typeface. This I can live with.
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by ujnhunter » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:05 am

QotD: I love me some Ebonics so this don't apply to me! ;)
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Re: things we hate that people say

Post by roymond » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:19 am

Referring to instrumentals as songs. "Yeah, I just love Yanni's songs."

Commercial radio claiming they play "more music". I took a cab ride the other day, it was 12 minutes long and not once during the so-called music marathon did they play a damn song. But they told me three times that they play more of my favorite music. Then they had loud commercials to tell how to live my life. Presumably without music.

Satellite radio claiming they have "fewer commercials". That's only because they don't count station ID as a commercial, but half the bloody air time is station ID reminding me that I'm listening to my paid satellite radio subscription.

Not changing the subject line in emails that are hijacked for other purposes.

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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by fluffy » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:24 am

Rabid Garfunkel wrote:Double spaces piss me off too. Are you setting type in a monospaced font Mr. Fucking Genius Designer? Are you doing layout for a law firm, or anyone else with very specific rules of style?
I still use double spaces when I type, but it's a force of habit. I've always felt that there needs to be some distinction between periods in a name or abbreviation (e.g. I. P. Freely, e.g., etc., etc.) and the end of a sentence. Fortunately for me, most HTML renderers end up stripping it out anyway. Although some "modern" forum software (thankfully not phpBB) turns a double space into a space and then an  , which makes things look really wonky when there's word-wrap right in the middle of a sentence break. (It would be better if it placed the   first, but people who write forum software tend to not actually think these things through.)

I also hate people who nitpick grammar as if informal writing must be held to the same lofty standards as a legal document with no room for style or creative expression (said in preparation for the inevitable "DON'T START A SENTENCE WITH ALTHOUGH" rant).
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by erik » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:58 am

Generic wrote:
erik wrote:Probably "the exception that proves the rule". People use it whenever a rule has an exception. Gah.
Well, that isn't exactly misused, just poorly-thought-out in the first place. The thinking goes, because anyone for whom English is a first language knows that grammar can be extraordinarily steadfast - except when it's not - that every rule must have an exception. Thus, if you make a broad, sweeping generality, and then someone provides a counterexample, then that counterexample is "the exception that proves the rule."
No, no, no. BZZZZT. Sorry, that's exactly the usage that peeves my pet. The phrase, when used correctly, is both well-thought-out and useful. It just shouldn't be used when talking about grammar.

"The exception that proves the rule" is useful talking about exceptions that imply that everything else is acceptable. For example, when you see a sign that says "No Parking Wednesdays", that is an exception which implies that you can park there any other day besides Wednesday. "2 is the only even prime" is an exception that implies that all other primes are odd.
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by jast » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:41 am

erik wrote:"The exception that proves the rule" is useful talking about exceptions that imply that everything else is acceptable. For example, when you see a sign that says "No Parking Wednesdays", that is an exception which implies that you can park there any other day besides Wednesday. "2 is the only even prime" is an exception that implies that all other primes are odd.
Those exceptions don't "prove" the rule, though, they just imply it.

Anyway. One thing I like that hasn't been mention yet is misuse of the adverb "sic". Some people seem to think it's a value judgement or something like that.
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by fluffy » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:44 am

jast wrote:Anyway. One thing I like that hasn't been mention yet is misuse of the adverb "sic". Some people seem to think it's a value judgement or something like that.
I always thought it was just a means of expressing that the quote is faithful and that any mistakes or archaic usages were in the original.
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by Henrietta » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:50 am

Okay, here's one that I have no clue whether or not it's grammatically correct, but I hear it all the time. Can someone enlighten me?

" The team was comprised of John, Gertrude, and myself. "
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by fluffy » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:57 am

I believe that should be "and me." "Myself" is the reflexive, to be used when one is referring to themselves as the object of a sentence where they are also the verb.

On that note I really hate it when people use "and I" as an object. Like, "The unspecified event was very beneficial to my partner and I." It's also impossible to reasonably correct it without getting into a long debate which starts out like, for example,

"'And me.'"

"What? I didn't see you there."

"No, I mean, that sentence should be, 'to my partner and me.'"

And so on.

Of course, correcting other peoples' grammar is a pretty prick-ish thing to do, but then how does anyone ever learn?

Anyway, regarding "me" vs. "myself," consider these two sentences as a method for keeping the usage straight:

"I touch myself."

"He touches me."
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by Rabid Garfunkel » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:12 pm

fluffy wrote:I always thought it was just a means of expressing that the quote is faithful and that any mistakes or archaic usages were in the original.
Ah shit. Can we pretend I was quoting myself? :wink:
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by Billy's Little Trip » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:12 pm

fluffy wrote: "I touch myself."

"He touches me."
Good example, Fluf. That makes it easy to remember.

Seeing your sentence, "Of course, correcting other peoples' grammar is a pretty prick-ish thing to do, but then how does anyone ever learn?" I often stop myself from typing it this way because it sounds wrong. I'll then retype it to read, "Of course, correcting the grammar of other people......"
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by jast » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:13 pm

fluffy wrote:
jast wrote:Anyway. One thing I like that hasn't been mention yet is misuse of the adverb "sic". Some people seem to think it's a value judgement or something like that.
I always thought it was just a means of expressing that the quote is faithful and that any mistakes or archaic usages were in the original.
And that is... entirely correct, but tell that to the... smart people who seem to think it's a synonym for "I'm quoting this but I still think it's stupid".
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by roymond » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:13 pm

fluffy wrote:as a method for keeping the usage straight:

"He touches me."
Say what?
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by erik » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:14 pm

jast wrote:
erik wrote:"The exception that proves the rule" is useful talking about exceptions that imply that everything else is acceptable. For example, when you see a sign that says "No Parking Wednesdays", that is an exception which implies that you can park there any other day besides Wednesday. "2 is the only even prime" is an exception that implies that all other primes are odd.
Those exceptions don't "prove" the rule, though, they just imply it.
Look, I'm just telling you what the phrase actually means. If you want to be some sort of willfully ignorant pedant, I can't stop you.
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by Henrietta » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:14 pm

fluffy wrote: Anyway, regarding "me" vs. "myself," consider these two sentences as a method for keeping the usage straight:

"I touch myself."

"He touches me."
I did something to myself, but he did something to me. "On the team was me" and not on the team was myself. That makes sense. Thanks!

Yep, I don't think the boss would appreciate it if I corrected himself on grammar. ;)
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by jast » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:17 pm

erik wrote:Look, I'm just telling you what the phrase actually means. If you want to be some sort of willfully ignorant pedant, I can't stop you.
The point made before was that the phrase is faulty in the logic department when taken literally. I'm quite sure if you freely interpret the phrase it makes perfect sense and I don't object to anyone using it, but this thread is about weird phrases and not "phrases that make perfect sense when you know what they intended to say".
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Re: 2008: Dec 15

Post by fluffy » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:07 pm

Henrietta wrote:"On the team was me" and not on the team was myself. That makes sense. Thanks!
On the other hand, this brings up another issue: you should avoid passive voice whenever possible. "I was on the team" reads/sounds much better; "Bob, Alice and I were on the team" is better than "The team was comprised of Bob, Alice and me." There are certainly situations where the passive voice is better but usually it should not be used.

(That last sentence was a purposeful example of where both active and passive are used in conjunction, both correctly.)

(And that last sentence was not a purposeful example but it works as one anyway.)
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