Nur Ein V Round Two "Spanish Lessons"

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Wish I could. I can tell you this. It's 3rd round which is traditionally the guest round.
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As in, guest singer/player? I hope I make to round 3, that's one of my favs. I love collaborating.
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Did I miss the results somewhere?
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We all did. One judge is still sleeping.
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I envy that judge. My daughter woke me up at 2am this morning and wouldn't go back to sleep, so neither did I.
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Tonight is jam night for Hoglen and I, so these delays are really making us feel the constipation! Let that shit out: we gotta know if we're in Round 3 or not! Understand it is a lone judge.... and I'm placing the appropriate judgment on him/her! ;) Hope we still get an honest score. :D

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P.S. If you already have a collaborator, does that count or do we have to get a third person?
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Wages wrote:P.S. If you already have a collaborator, does that count or do we have to get a third person?
You have to get another person.
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Spud wrote:We all did. One judge is still sleeping.
Very interesting. Perhaps a public flogging is in order? Especially if this is the same delinquent who caused last week's delay. ;)
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Hey everyone, results are coming very soon.

In the meantime, have you sent me your band photo yet?
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Milo Dunderville wins Round 2 and gets immunity.
Johnny Cashpoint, Hoglen & Wages, and Noah McLaughlin have been eliminated.

Milo Dunderville 60
Berkeley Social Scene 59
Therman 51
Chris Cogott 47
Billy's Little Trip 42
Sid Denison 40
DJ Ranger Den 39
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Jon Eric 32
Rabid Garfunkel 31
Who Fly 29
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I'm curious, what did I get?
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You were immune, you don't get a ranking but you do get reviews.
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uh-oh. I'm not immune from reviews?
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Okay, I'll go first.

From worst to best:

1. The Real Sign – The most predictable chord progression possible for this title and out of tune singing made this song terrible for me. I like the syncopated rhythm in the chorus but couldn’t get into what seems like a lost Heart album track. NEXT DAY: Still last.

2. Who Fly – I hated this but saw enough of a glimmer of imagination and creativity to not put it last. NEXT DAY: Was annoying last night, but tonight I couldn't even listen to the whole thing.

3. Jon Eric – Weird song. Lyrics are kind of clever, but not my cup of tea. I like “He pulled up in a Tahoe, said "Tengo trabajo"”. Your accelerando is passable but not very effective. I don’t really care for the octave leap verse melody. NEXT DAY: I can't dig the vocal track, man. The main verse melody is such a turnoff to me for some reason and the chorus seems predictable and/or uncreative.

4. DJ Ranger Den – Even though you changed things up this week by using guitar, your vocal style has the potential to make everything you do sound the same. I like your opening lyrics a lot, but the rest of the song doesn’t live up to the promise of those opening lines. Nice transition into the bridge on the word “you.” NEXT DAY: Enjoyed this track more last night than tonight. You have a nice voice but I'm expecting more from the song I guess.

5. Hoglen and Wages – Hey, you can sing in tune! Makes a huge difference, dude. This is a decent song, even I don’t quite understand where this place is that you can’t read anything in a supermarket. Also, I’m pretty sure Cuban isn’t a language. But whatever—still not bad. Your accelerando kind of blows, though. NEXT DAY: This track slips a bit for me. I still like it, but the lyrics have lost some of their charm and the sax is annoying. Still, a huge improvement over your other tracks.

6. Naked Philosophy – Cute idea. Another song that seems to end with the bridge, which is my favorite part of this song. I don’t know—not bad, I guess. NEXT DAY: Chorus is pretty catchy and I really like the ending. Much better tonight than last night for some reason. You move up several places.

7. Rabid Garfunkel – Not bad! Catchy little chorus, spoken word works, lyrics okay. Weak accelerando, unfortunately, but I won’t tell anyone if you don’t. My only suggestion would be to fill out the instrumentation a bit more. The sax is nice, but you could accelerate into a more significant musical break with more stuff (horns, percussion, whatever…) NEXT DAY: Lyrics seemed cuter to me last night than they do tonight, but I like the interplay between the lyric and that filthy sax.

8. Sid Denison – Wow, this is a difficult one to judge. Conceptually, this is really great. Excellent way to deal with the challenge—brilliant even. What I don’t like is the way you sing the verses, particularly the rhythm. It sounds like you weren’t quite sure how to make the words fit. The other thing is the execution of the challenge, where I think you kind of overdid it. I would have like one more verse following what really seems like a bridge to me. NEXT DAY: I sure wish you had worked a little harder on the verses. The awkwardness of the singing keeps this song from being a winner. The happy-go-lucky guitar riff doesn't stand up to repeated listens.

9. Christopher Cogott – Nice sounding recording. I’m not very fond of the song, but it sure is performed well and you did a great accelerando. I think this will grow on me with repeated listens. I like the way the transition to Spanish-tinged music fits the story of the song. Yeah, this is pretty good after all. Nice! NEXT DAY: Reminding me of The Outfield today. This is not a plus. Still like the break and build-up a lot. Nice solo.

10. Minty Handy – I would love this if the instrumentation was fuller and the song were more fully developed. I mean, you really had me with the first verse. You have a great voice for pop and I love the guitar. But you lose me with the repetitive chorus and the weak drumbeat. NEXT DAY: Man, I love the open verse. Just LOVE it. Then the song kind of loses steam and peters out. Still, I had you fourth from the bottom last night and I think I may have been unfairly punishing you for not making the rest of the song live up to the promise of the first verse. But that first verse is the most exciting thing I heard in this round so you get to move up. Poor accelerando, however, so not too far. :P

11. Billy’s Little Trip – What can I say? I know there are people who would absolutely love this song. I am not one of those people. However, it’s very well-done and you get bonus points for giving double meaning to the chorus following the last verse. You could have done more with the accelerando by making the song a bit longer (…I know—I never suggest this!) and soloing over top of it. This is as good as I can imagine this type of song being. :) NEXT DAY: I knew this wouldn't hold up to repeated listens for me because of the whole genre bias thing, so of course it slipped a few notches. Good playing.

12. Therman – You know I don’t care much about production in terms of my ranking, but your mix/mastering sounds so washed out. Really weird. I don’t think this is your best song, but the chorus is catchy enough. Reminds me of Peter Murphy, but with Boston’s guitars and a Nirvana drumbeat. Sounds like this week was a struggle for you but you dealt with the challenge well enough and your song doesn’t suck. NEXT DAY: I had this ranked pretty low last night, but I really dig the chorus and the instrumental break so I moved it up. You're really a talented player and you know how to structure a song.

IMMUNE. Boop Boop – Interesting and obviously timely. A good take on the title. I know you’re immune and you said you didn’t work too hard on this, but it’s still clever and interesting. Even at 4:55, it didn’t seem long to me, which is almost a miracle. An enjoyable listen. NEXT DAY: I don't care what anyone says--the chorus is gold.

13. Berkeley Social Scene – So close! This is very funny. I like it a lot and the wispiness of Sam’s voice contrasts nicely with Erin’s tough sexy Chicana. The song would be perfect if not for the abbreviated bridge and solo at 2:30-3:00. I think it would work if the drum beat didn’t stay basically the same as in the chorus. It’s a very awkward thirty seconds in an otherwise excellent song. The accelerando also seems tacked on. NEXT DAY: Realizing now that the drums don't seem to fit the song very well at all during the chorus. Still very good. Like the misunderstood duet at the end. The accelerando is just a distraction really.

14. Milo Dunderville – Great. Just fucking great. That’s how you do the accelerando, people! Clever lyrics, good chorus, great playing. You’re like a little Randy Newman. Nice job. NEXT DAY: Still like this a lot on second listen. A real gem.
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From A to Z:

Berkeley Social Scene
The mis-understood conversation concept was excellent, and well executed with the two voices. The music, as always, was superb, but I felt that the accelerando was tacked on, and not integral to the piece.

Billy's Little Trip
Title take is subtle, but sufficient. Would have been nice if you could have worked dámelo ahora into that hook. Once again, and even more that BSS, the accelerando seems perfunctory.

Boop Boop
You have immunity. Lucky for you. I can hear this on Fox without damaging my ear drums.

Christopher Cogott
Even though the accelerando occurred at the end like the first two, the big climax leading to the pause before the accelerando was absolutely textbook perfect, and this seemed like exactly the right way to end it.

Denise Hudson
I'm sure it wasn't for my benefit, but you are surely singing a song this week, rather than rambling on, and I appreciate it. As you have clearly established yourself as an emotive singer, it comes as no surprise that your accelerando sections are not just faster, they are more urgent, as well. Well done.

Hoglen & Wages
This is the most song-like of any Wages composition in recent memory. Some logistic problems with the lyrics. If it didn't involve the title, it wouldn't bother me. Why not French lessons? I'm not sure there is a Cuban written language. They speak a Spanish dialect, no? The instruments (especially the horns) are too raw for my taste (shut up, Frankie). Not sure if it is the recording or the mix, but they don't sit in there well.

Jon Eric
OK, Jon, the further we go along here, the more you need to get back into your comfort zone. I feel like you are risking too much here, vocally. Also, tutor/scooter seemed arbitrary. No fair slowing down so far so that you accelerate back up to normal speed. Just kidding. Worked for me.

Milo Dunderville
A little pitchy at 1:15. Should have left Fort Wayne a half a second earlier, like you did at 2:31. Ass is a little off, too, as well as some of the other stretched out phrase enders. There's a lot of fun lyrical variety, though, and I enjoyed listening to your clever turns of phrase. I had to go back and find the accelerando, however. Perhaps it was too well integrated? I was only sure I had found it when it slowed back down and I said, oh, yeah, there it was.

Minty Handy
The accelerando seemed superfluous on its own merits, but it set up that missing last word well, so nicely done. A nice enough song, but your playing around with the stereo positioning, however, gives away that you are looking for some way to make this thing more interesting.

Naked Philosophy
Clever premise. The music seems unrelated to the words - nicely done but why? - until the accelerando, which sets up that last verse just right.

Rabid Garfunkel
Can't figure out your Spanish, or whatever it is. Pork a dilettante? Still, I am a sucker for this laid back format. Your horns are just as raw as Wages' but seem to be mixed in better. This is an example of when keeping everything at the same (marginal) level of production works perfectly

Sid Denison and the Harpooners
This doesn't have the fun of some of Sid's stuff. Sounds like the studio execs are holding you back. Accelerando is a bit messy, but serviceable.

threalsign
Bonus for the longest accelerando of the fight, but it was little bit like going up a really long hill. It would be nice if there was a bench somewhere part way up. I guess the instrumental bridge between 2:49 and 3:17 supposed to be that bench, but alas, it got uprooted before I was rested.

Therman
I an not usually a fan of this style of music, and your last two entries had almost made a believer out of me. Alas, this one puts me back where I started. I don't really care what the vocals are saying, because they are just another instrument in the mix. Nice drum accelerando, though.

Who Fly
OK, you annoyed me with that particular vocal affectation right off the bat. However, I hung in there, and never really got it. Why am I imagining killing a bullfighter? Entiendo. What's that mean? I do not understand. No Entiendo. Wait. Maybe I get it. Is the whole thing incredibly meta? Sólo Una!
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Best to worst:

Billy's Little Trip - Great lines! F-ing catchy!

Berkeley Social Scene- Beautifully recorded and performed. Wish the bridge were more of a change, and really wish the lyrics had more interesting lines. Tells a story, but doesn't seem to be a very interesting story.

Rabid Garfunkel- Pat you are a wonderful guy, but I must admit to not anticipating the time I must spend listening to your songs. Maybe that's not objective enough, but I would argue that it leaves me open to being pleasantly surprised. As I was this week. I hope you'll notice that you came in 3rd on my list. :) Interesting production, well-mixed, interesting and pretty catchy lyrics that I found myself singing out loud even though I couldn't tell what the F you were saying. "PORQUE DIHAY TON" whatever that means. I dig it. And the accelerando fit nicely into the song as an artistic choice. I haven't listened to all the songs yet, but so far that's the most well-integrated and thoughtful accelerando yet.

Therman - Wish the production had more impact. Just seems kind of soft, maybe because there's so much going on. Find myself not caring about the lyrics. Nice drumming. Hey, I like that bridge with all the wacky descending lines, and here comes the accelerando. Ok that part's pretty fun, let's see if it goes anywhere... ah, the old "leave one guitar hanging" trick. Works ok, but I've heard it too many times before. And there's more singing-- maybe if it were further front I'd care about it more.

Who Fly- Nice sample, dunno if you made it yourself or found it. But I like the atmosphere it's evoking, and that synth in the back. Ok, this is kind of groovy, please don't fuck it up... by for example not adding anything else or going anywhere with the song... ok here's some lyrics. I'm going to assume the horror of Spanish taught by a Sicilian makes more sense to you than to me, and that you didn't just use "Sicilian" because you thought it sounded good. This has a bunch of attitude that I like, but I'm not sure that I'm convinced that you really give a crap and aren't just fronting. Still, nice arrangement, I'll probably try this a couple more times. I dig the "wooo" in the beginning.

Jon Eric - First vocal lines are too frantic. Vocals are mixed badly, they don't sit in the mix at all. I like the passion you're putting behind your singing during this competition. You need to take your vocal recording to the next step, to match with your keyboard parts, which are nice if a bit too much of the arrangement. Main key should be more in the background-- your singing shoudl be the focus, not that piano part which is sort of vampy and extemporaneous. The accelerando is fine but I didn't give a crap about it.

Milo Dunderville- Some catchy lines. Sounds like a song taken from the middle of the first act of a musical from the 50's. Kinda dug it, but I'm not jumping out of my chair. However, I probably will listen to it again, which I can't say for the majority of the songs in this round.

Naked Philosophy- I like the lyrics, and the song overall. Man, get a freaking tuner for crying out loud jesus christ. This accelerando better go somewhere. Hrmmm. I dunno about that. At least it's interesting, but I could also interpret that as "I ran out of time and just had to finish the song". Heh.

Chris Cogott - You got an idea for your song, but then didn't pull it off in a lyrically interesting way for me. Vocals kind of sound like Weird Al to me. I do love harmony, so bonus points for that.

DJ Ranger Den - Vocals fit better into the mix this time I think. Needs a 'cello.

Boop Boop - Intro is way too long. Nicely different from your recent entries, though it's a bit overwrought I think. Not sure you worked the title into the lyrics in a coherent way. Seems kinda tossed together, lyric-wise.

Hoglen and Wages - I get the minimalistic idea, but those guitars need to be a lot fucking harder for it to work. Then that horn synth is way too loud in the mix. This should basically be making me rip my headphones off with its hard-coreness, but instead I was a little bored.

Minty Handy - Sound is pretty nice this week. Pretty well produced, though the guitar's a little out of tune. Wish the production had some kind of edge to it, 'cause it doesn't really seem to match the lyrics. Whoa, the vocal panning suddenly went wonky. Not bad, just really different than it was-- very stereo. No bonus points for that. And the out of tune guitar is kind of getting to me. Accelerando doesn't seem useful. I do like cutting off the last like at "to keep you" and the change in meaning that has. Overall not awful.

Sid Denison and the Harpooners - Rhythmically fun in the beginning. Vocal performance needed more practice and they're waaaaay too far front in the mix. Step back from the mic and give yourself some room. Rhythm guitar is too wimpy. Nice stab at catchy lyrics, you were *almost* there. But not quite. I like the bridge, even though it's at the end of the song. And then the accelerando seems tacked on-- again, *almost* a good idea.

The Real Sign - Guitar a little out of tune but so far not bugging me. Intro's too long. Ok the vocals are too far back and out of tune. Darlin', as Randy Jackson would say, singin' just ain't for you. I did buy the accelerando in it's little Spanish flava. Though you use a chord progression that's a thousand years old, there's at least a couple modern bits in there in the one section. Kind of like the drums, though the claps got old. No points for lyrics though, bleh. Couldn't make out most of them, and what I could make out were uninspiring. Kind of dig that electric guitar line that comes in, substituting for horns. Oh christ don't hold out lines that long with that voice of yours. You should really double the vocal line or something, not that I think you could sing it out of tune the same way twice-- but Billy seems to do it and it (sometimes) sounds OK. Couldn't be too much worse.
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Spud,

It seems the compositional missteps were mine this round. I'm amazed that i keep hearing this "tacked on" observation. I thought it was genre appropriate, and was nearly convinced that's what the judges had in mind with that title and that challenge. I love Latin jazz and Latin rock, i listen to a lot of it, and it often has accelerandos, but I can't think of a case where it wasn't at the end of the song. To me it basically belongs there. I think you could say it was "obvious" or "not as imaginative as it could have been", but "tacked on"? ouch. Not only did we accelerate the chorus at the end , but it developed with the call and response counterpoint conversation bit. Which I thought was the best part of the joke/story.

However when I voiced this to my band mates (Sam and Ken) they responded "... it was tacked on". Doh!

Frankie,

I'm also responsible for the weird bridge, I thought you in particular would enjoy the modal shifting of the chords, Sam really hated me for asking him to solo over that. I suppose it was another misfire.
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RE: "Spanish or Cuban" lyric

The whole idea was to show the ignorance of our protagonist. If I had known that one line would have killed it... well, shit... I wouldn't change it! That was one of my favorite lines in there because of the irony (or whatever you call it).

Thanks for letting us play. I never imagined we'd get back Round Zero, so Round Two was awesome.
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Submitting as: Billy's Little Trip, Billy and the Psychotics
Location: Cali fucking ornia

Re: Nur Ein V: Round 2

Post by Billy's Little Trip »

frankie big face wrote: 11. Billy’s Little Trip – What can I say? I know there are people who would absolutely love this song. I am not one of those people. However, it’s very well-done and you get bonus points for giving double meaning to the chorus following the last verse. You could have done more with the accelerando by making the song a bit longer (…I know—I never suggest this!) and soloing over top of it. This is as good as I can imagine this type of song being. :) NEXT DAY: I knew this wouldn't hold up to repeated listens for me because of the whole genre bias thing, so of course it slipped a few notches. Good playing.
I wouldn't expect anyone to like a song that is not in their enjoyable genre range, beyond breaking it down for judging. You pointed out the good and bad and I couldn't ask for more than that. :wink:
Thanks for the review.
Spud wrote: Billy's Little Trip
Title take is subtle, but sufficient. Would have been nice if you could have worked dámelo ahora into that hook. Once again, and even more that BSS, the accelerando seems perfunctory.
I did have the accelerando ending in my mind from the conception of this song. But I can see how you would feel it's tacked on. Realistically, the song could have ended without the final chorus, so I won't hold that against you, lol. I did have a bridge using the challenge as well, but it was a mess, so I pulled it. And it's funny you say that, because I DID have damelo ahora in the chorus, lol. But I was slowly getting away from my plan of no Spanish words. I just wanted Spanglish at the most to make it clear my baby was a Spanish girl and that's it. I even had a line with fajita, but pronounced it fuh'jyta. But it ended up on the cutting room floor along with some other horribly cheesy lines, lol. Thanks for the review, Spud.
jb wrote: Billy's Little Trip - Great lines! F-ing catchy!
Wow, I wouldn't have expected this from you, lol. Thanks, jb. :wink:
Last edited by Billy's Little Trip on Wed May 05, 2010 4:17 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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