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fodroy wrote:
HansGruber wrote:
fodroy wrote:i just recorded the keyboard through the mic built in to the ibook. the keyboard was on the violin setting.
Cool. I've done a few of those myself - ar you using Garageband?
yeah, but don't worry. i'm not using any of the pre-made loops that they have loaded.
I don't have a problem with that at all, in fact they have some good 'uns. I recognized a trumpet part in someone's song a few weeks ago, and I used a smokin' harmonica loop in one of my songs. It comes down to choice with those loops - like using clipart. It can work fine if you choose well, and sound like cheez if you don't.
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I agree with Hans Gruber - I do not understand people who say using pre-made loops is somehow genreically bad. Like collage or readymades, for me the art is in how you use the raw material at your disposal. As long as you're not trying to pretend you played them, fine!

That said, I rarely use pre-made loops in my stuff. A lot of single note hits which I then sequence, but not someone else's riff or tune. I just don't get as much pleasure from that. i can see how it would work as a handy shorthand for harmonica blast here, or whatever, however

Anyway, pardon the intrusion on the conversation ... just nice to be agreeing with someone today!
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i don't have a problem with other people doing it. if i recognized a loop from garage band in someone else's song, i wouldn't care. i just prefer to be stubborn about the way that i create my music. i like knowing that the song is 100% me. that's just the way i am.
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The only people who can honestly say that their music is 100% them is Doo-Wop / Vocal bands beating their chests for percussion.
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HANK. wrote:The only people who can honestly say that their music is 100% them is Doo-Wop / Vocal bands beating their chests for percussion.
Well, now I know what I'm doing for next week.

Reviews soon, but first I'll just say that I'm really enjoying this FBoy and J$'s collaboration.
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HANK. wrote:The only people who can honestly say that their music is 100% them is Doo-Wop / Vocal bands beating their chests for percussion.
i guess, but only if they don't record their music. unless they make their recording gear themselves from scratch.

i meant that i like to know that i'm in control of the rhythm and melody and everything that's going on in the song instead of using something that was previously controlled.
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HANK. wrote:The only people who can honestly say that their music is 100% them is Doo-Wop / Vocal bands beating their chests for percussion.
octothorpe. live. on my block. :)
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Thanks, Jack. I was gonna say...
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Bjam
Best thing for me is your voice, wish it was more audible over the guitar. And the lyrics! I'm wondering if this is written from the female perspective and I wish I could meet a lady like the protagonist in this song. I sense a bit of female dominance...and I like it! Glad that you took a bit of a different angle (I think). I get the title line from your tune caught in my head, too.

8LO
Not my favorite dork casio intro, but with the lyrics it creates a vibe that is hilarious. Favorite parts are the super duper large monster drum tones. I wish there was more bass. I also like the funky eq'd preamped vocal parts. The arpeggios are nice as well, some really neat chord changes. And damn man your lyrics are so great, cynical, the whole nine really.

His Name is Dan
Some good lyrics as well. I like the chorus guitar melody quite a bit and I can hear what you're going for in the melody and it's potentially a great melody there. If the notes were reaching where they need to be it'd be a good catchy tune. I love the use of the word asshole. Oh yeah! A happy melody at the end, to illustrate the happy ending to your story is also key.

Johnny Cashpoint (feat. Future Boy)
Best thing is the hard hitting chorus and how that contrasts with the verse. The two of you have such different voices that I have a hard time listening to you both together in the same song, without laughing. My other favorite part is the quick monologue by J$. man i worry that you're giving yourself internal bleeding though with the way that you deliver those vocs. Sounds like blood vessels are popping somewhere, and I kinda like it. This would kick ass if the lyrics / two voices were actually a dialogue between rapist / victim.

Jute Gyte
The electric guitars and the rhythms with them are my favorite thing about this. The soft middle breakdown is neat also, I was hoping that there would be a vocal to go along with it. There's a potential for a really bouncy, major key, melody in the chorus guitars.

Seoup T. Gei
'Sup There Guy? If you ever show your face at songfight again I'm gonna kick your ass you stupid punk. Next time you decide to steal my computer and my mics, you might want to think about the consequences which will be me sticking kabob sticks into your ears until they each come out the other side.

Southwest Statistic & Puce
Cool opening. Nice chorus catch but the title line is wrong! Good stuff though, good chorus melodies and interesting changes save this from just being a boring over-produced emo-metal song. Are you in that band Linkin Park? As J$ would say, it's really not my thing. But well done for what it is.

Vaginal Cell Phones
Bass line is potentially cool, but it just never stops or changes and by the end, it's driving me insane with it's pentatonic monotony. I like the screaming parts too, but they really need a change in the melody to back them up and make them hit the way they should.

I think that I'll vote for 8LO since he's an arrogant prick. No wait, hmm, SS&P is good but more in terms of production than song, and used a slightly different title. I get Bjam's chorus stuck in my head most easily...8LO, J$/Future Boy combo, and Dan all have great lyrics also. Well now, Seoup. I just don't know. We'll see, won't we?
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Post by Smalltown Mike »

Another solid fight. Some fantastic tunes here.

Bjam

There seem to be a couple different riffs and rhythms in the intro; I really like the first one. The vocals need more presence, but it sounds like this was recorded all at once so that might not be possible. I do want to hear what you’re singing, though.

Eight Legged Oedipus

At first I found the drums really booming like an old beat box, and wasn’t crazy about them. But when everything slowed down at 1:05 it seemed to all make sense. I dig the phrasing and rhythm of the vox. The lyrics are pretty cold—especially the apology in the chorus—but that would be the point, I think. This is great.

His Name is Dan

I really like the drum sound, although it’s been said I don’t know much about good drum sounds. That first line makes me really uncomfortable in the context of the title, because I wonder what’s coming. I love the drum intro, the way it’s gone right away but comes back. I also like what comes in at 0:50. I don’t like the “moved in for the kill”—and the rest of the song seems to go in a direction I didn’t expect. The first part sounded like you were testifying in court as to what happened, which is what was making me so uncomfortable. The last part seems too happy.

Johnny Cashpoint feat. Future Boy

Great bass. Your voices sound great together. Love the chorus—it’s a small world after all. I would have liked the song to be quiet longer. This is really strong. Great work. I love the J$ acapella break at 1:26. J$ goes nuts at 1:55 and I love it. This is really great.

Jute Gyte

You do some great work, and I really have no feedback for you except that I’d like to be able to understand some of your lyrics. Part of the problem, of course, is that you won’t be able to scream like you do and have every word enunciated clearly, but still. I do like the heavy stuff—I’ll always have a soft spot in my heart for early Slayer, Voivod, etc—but I feel little cheated when I can’t pick out even one word in a song.

Seoup T. Gei

What a great groove, what a fantastic voice. Great production. I love this. No advice to offer.

Southwest Statistics

I like the intro a lot, creepy. The chorus is a lot stronger than the verse. The lyrics are really strong; that might be largely because I’m Canadian and am familiar with the second case. It seems to end before I expect it to. Great song.

Vaginal Cell Phones

I don’t think I want to understand how a vaginal cell phone would work. I don’t find the screaming parts as convincing as Jute Gyte, although that might be an unfair comparison—that man can scream like few others. The bassline—though too loud, I think—contrasts nicely with the screaming. The piano fits in well, too.The drums could use more punch—when you’re screaming, the drums are all but lost. That’s a funky beat, too.

I'll vote for either Seoup T. Gei or J$ and Futureboy—I wish I could vote for both.
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Bjam: Not to be sexist, although I’m sure this probably is, you score points from me for even taking on this title. I’m sorry if that offends you but I can’t think of many women willing to take on the subject of rape in a song. I’m glad you posted the lyrics (and I normally won’t look because I figure if I can’t hear them in the mix, the artist is hiding something) because they are a little difficult to make out at first when the harder strumming comes in. It’s difficult for me to objectively review your song, (I’ll explain that at the end of all the reviews if you care to read it) but I’ll try. Again, I think the vocals are too low, you have a nice voice and the lyrics are pretty good so don’t bury them. The guitar is in tune, a huge plus, and it’s played pretty well, but the time seems to vary. I can’t tell if this is intentional or not with the lack of percussion. If it is intentional, it probably still jumps around a little bit. If it’s not intentional, work on that in the future. Overall, a very nice song that I will be listening to more over the coming days.

Eight Legged Oedipus: It starts out with a great beat (damn I wish those were real drums) and a pretty good melodic line supporting it. I think the drums are a bit overcompressed, but if you were going for a “breathing” type effect on them, you accomplished it. I really like your voice, and the subject matter is dead on, at least from what I remember of my days in porn work. I’m just joking. No, really I am. No need to Google my name. Anyway, now that you’re back and your Google search proved fruitless, I am seriously liking all of the changes in this. I won’t spew any theory stuff at you because, well I suck at that anyway, but your changes are very solid, sometimes unexpected, and original. This isn’t usually my type of song, but all of it’s components are so compelling, I can’t help but love it. I’m keeping this one.

His Name is Dan: I listened to this song and it’s story all the way through before I typed a word of this review. Usually I will listen, type some notes to edit later, and go back and do the review. This song I listened from front to back, and then found this to say. I’m not sure if you’re writing from experience or not, but this story disturbs me. Most people write from some sort of personal experience and / or views, and this story bothered me a lot. It should be easy for you to dispel my thoughts later, but what bothers me is the “beer slut” lyric, and the fact that she woke up with someone else later. My hope is that you were at best, the someone else. My guess is you weren’t. Call me Dr. Dan-o but I think some therapy beyond the confession I suspect was made here is in order.

Beyond that diatribe, I’m not sure what the snare intro was about except perhaps the intro count. I haven’t heard this much hiss since cassettes. I’m embarrassed your name is Dan. On the positive side the guitar was recorded fairly well, a little too much bass, but not all bad. The violin was appropriate. That’s all I have to say about that.

J$ & FB: Johnny, having Future Boy assist with the vocals was a great decision. I’m iffy at best about your vocals, but the contrast between you two is great. Both parts are excellent. They’re like, please excuse this comparison, salt and pepper. They support each other very well, although I do think Future Boy is doing most of the supporting. Lyrically and musically, this is a very solid entry. It’s not my favorite so far, but damn is it in contention. Your production continues to be solid (I’m speaking to J$ now because I think he’s the driving force behind this, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) and your song writing skills are improving as the weeks go by. This still isn’t my thing, the pink noise stuff is annoying, but overall I can see you hit what you were going for. I’ll leave the debate about the Serb’s for another day. (Hey I kept the lyric page open so I could follow along. I’m in a generous mood. Don’t spoil it.)

Jute Gyte: Well it’s a good thing I kept that lyric page open. I said this once before, the one and only time I can recall reviewing one of your songs, I like the conviction, the passion, and the believability of your delivery. I don’t recall if I said it exactly like that, I suspect I didn’t, but that’s essentially the point anyway. The music, because it is recorded so well, is basically palatable. But wait there’s more:

So here’s what I get about your music: I get your passion. Listen, anyone willing to risk blowing out a vocal chord has got to be passionate about their music. I get that you’re pissed about something, c’mon man you’re screaming, you must be pissed. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain my opinion beyond that. And I get that at some point you mention the title, what this has to do with the actual theme or the connection to ghatanothoa is beyond me.

There is so much potential here. You’re obviously an educated and talented young man. If someone ever cultures all of this talent and intelligence, we could see success spawned right here at SongFight!

Seoup T. Gei: Nice mix, no great mix and I love the guitar tone. If not for the good guitar tone I would think this to be, dare I say it….. a Josh Woodward entry? Intelligent lyrics (damn I’m starting to repeat myself) very solid playing, super solid mix, who else could it be? God forbid it’s another one of his offspring. (I’m kidding of course, the better the entry, the better my listening, I just feel bad for everyone else if Seoup T. Gei continues to improve the way Southwest Statistic has.) Anyway, what haven’t I said besides the aforementioned references to solid citizenship? Well, I forgot too mention that this song is solid as a rock, and accomplishes the funk quite nicely.

Damn, will anyone get my full wrath in this fight? How fucking solid this has been top to bottom so far.

Southwest Statistic & Puce: OK finally, wrath will come, but in a small dose. The panning of the ocean is annoying. That’s about it. The rest of this song is so solidly produced that I hate your guts. Dammit. Week after week, I listen to stuff I couldn’t get to sound this good in a year. How do you do that? It has got to be my equipment. Please PM me with a list of your equipment, I’ll bug you for your address for personal lessons on how operate it later. The vocals are really solid, it took a couple of solid listens to get the lyrics, but if the music hadn’t been so good I wouldn’t have cared to make the effort. This is another solid entry, admittedly from someone I expect that from, competing in perhaps the most solid fight I have ever listened to. If I don’t vote for you, I’m sure you will respect the fact that you are up against some very stiff competition.

Vaginal Cell Phones: Man I was hoping you would be the one to piss me off in this fight. I don’t like the name of your band, but surprisingly, I do think I get the name, or at least I think I do. I was hoping your song would sound like shit, but it didn’t. The vocal effect is bothering me, and it’s unnecessary, but it’s not a cheap ass effect. It’s just a somewhat expensive one overly done. The bass sounds good, but not very well played. The screaming vocal doesn’t sound as believable as Jute Gyte’s. If it’s the same person, well egg on my face. I kind of get tired of the repetitiveness of the lick by the middle of the song, and by the end I am completely over it, but by then the song is over too. The upside is this is possibly the weakest song in the best fight I think I’ve ever listened to.

First and foremost, congratulations to all of you, very nice work. I cannot express enough, how hard of a title I thought this would be to listen to and review. I’m the father of a 17 year old daughter who desperately believes she’s an adult and thinks she has it all figured out. I’m a father who knows it’s not all that simple, and intimately knows the dangers that await her once she has flown free from the nest. Rape is not a contemplation any father wants to consider when it concerns their offspring, and yet a title like this can’t help but have one considering it and how they might feel if it happened to their own. Your various takes on the title, and how well all you of you expressed your own interpretations without the use of overly explicit descriptions or foul language is a credit to your song writing abilities. I hate to try to pick a winner, or even list my favorites, so I won’t. Nice job everyone.
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Dan-O from Five-O wrote:Bjam: Not to be sexist, although I’m sure this probably is, you score points from me for even taking on this title. I’m sorry if that offends you but I can’t think of many women willing to take on the subject of rape in a song.
Yeah, I figured not many women would do it. Partly due to the fact that there are less than ten(if even that) females on Songfight :P and partly due to 'rape' being in the title. It didn't offend me at all to see you say that, and I'm glad you did. Rape is often thought of as a man attacking a woman, but it can go all ways. As for your fears for your daughter, I can understand that too. As a teenage girl I get the 'don't go into strange alleyways, always have your cellphone on, leave if someone's creepy, kick in nuts if attacked' and that whole spiel when I go out with friends. So, thanks for your review, and thanks for the points for taking on the title.

And my reviews are almost done, I've been very uncreative lately and not able to take on music and do coherent reviews. I'll try to put them up tomorrow though.
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I'm so f*cking psyched after reading all Dan-o's reviews. I can't even express it. I will try harder. Sorry to be so hard on Seoup T. Gei. After all, we are incredibly closely related. ;) And I can't believe I finally wrote a song that got a thumbs up from J$. Man I just played 4 hours of covers for some $ in my pocket and coming back to this sweetness is blowing my mind. There's no way it can last :lol:
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I figured this fight was probably some sort of 80's thrash metal/hardcore theme fight. You've all let me down.
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you should listen to my entry, suzy 3.
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Johnny Cashpoint feat. Future Boy
The difference of your voices is a very cool touch. The music isn't grabbing me at that minute markish and it's starting to get kinda boring for me. Man, j$ you sound angry in that little rant :/ It's good, just not digging it for my personal taste.

Jute Gyte
Not really my thing. I said in IRC a few days ago that people screaming lyrics makes me have sympathy pain. No real redeeming feature for me at all, sorry. The bit with no screaming is rather nice, but I'm always anticipating that more screaming is gonna come with a knife like in horror movies. I'll think it's going nice and happy and I'm safe and then BOOM!

Seoup T. Gei
It's okay. It's just really not grabbing me and making me want to listen to it. No hook that's making me want to keep listening.

Bjam
Need to re-record this so the production quality doesn't totally suck.

His Name is Dan
Nice, you can understand the lyrics and your voice works pretty well, but the stilted delivery in the first verse got to me. Pretty good other than that though. You took on the title in a really interesting way, and it sounds pretty good as a finished result. Good job.

Vaginal Cell Phones
More growly shoutyness making my throat have sympathy pains. Just not my thing, sorry. The piano/keyboard is kinda pretty though. Real sudden end.

Southwest Statistic & Puce
Really reminds me of a Linkin Park-esque thang. But you've already heard that so it's not very interesting. The piano adds a nice touch, and the delivery of the vocals is good. As with others, not so much my thing but it's pretty good. I can see it in a movie with the crazy ex girlfriend driving around in the rain all pissed off and whatnot. Good.

Eight Legged Oedipus
Nice beat, and your lyrics actually work with the style of the song. Your voice is good, and it sounds nice with the music. The bathroom stalls verse seems to go forever, and doesn't flow with the first verse. It's like you've got one song, a chorus, another song, a chorus, another song, a chorus. The lyrics and the beat just make it a fun song.

I'm thinking my vote's gonna go to 8LO, but there are some other pretty good ones here too. Damn this for being a good fight.
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Bjam - I really didn’t like the tinny sound of the guitar. The subject matter was kind of interesting, but lyrically it felt like the song was drunk - stumbling along. But hey, if rape is your thing, yeah, uhhhhh, maybe we should like, uhhhhh, hang out sometime. Or something.

Eight Legged Oedipus - I didn’t hear any of your lyrics until “Suck him off, Suck him off” because of how busy the music was. The mix is well mastered for your genre, but the instrumentation seems pretty cluttered at times.

His Name Is Dan - The keyboard drums really kill this song for me. My brain keeps telling me that I would like this a lot more if the music was only guitar. I also feel like I could hear the lyrics and enjoy the singing a lot more if the keyboard drums where not so distracting from the final presentation.

Johnny Cashpoint Ft. Futureboy - This rocks out in a way that only acoustic-guitar-meets-electroclash can. The independent distance and contrast between the two musical styles and vocal presentations made me very speculative when I looked at the homepage and saw the collaboration. However, I can honestly say the screamed bridge thing Johnny did is one of the most awesome things I’ve ever heard on SongFight!, and I think this is Futureboy’s best vocal performance to date. After listening, listening, downloading and re-listening, all I can say is great job. This will probably end up being my vote.

Jute Gyte - This is another great Jute Gyte entry, but I don’t feel it is as strong as some of your other entrees. This one sounds like it repeats itself more, and I wish it was faster at some of the harder parts. Like maybe even double-time in some places. I think you probably have the most balls on SongFight! for presenting this genre in the first place. Because you have gloriously and beautifully paved the way for us deathmetal enthusiasts, I think my next submission will be a nice heavy deathmetal-screamo-post-hardcore song. Thank you Jute, for not being a wuss about your genre. I am eternally indebted.

Seoup T. Gei - Very funky, very cool, very relaxing. The totally ridiculous transition from the previous song in the playlist made me laugh. This seems like it would sound even better on a slightly warn vinyl record being played on a 1960’s era record player. I would expect to hear this the moment I walk into a coffee house. I can’t offer any production advice to you other then the obvious “You are really good at what you do, maybe you should buy a nicer microphone to capture your awesome voice which sounds great on the crappy microphone.” And quite frankly, if you sound good on a crappy microphone, you will sound great on a good one.

Southwest Statistic + Puce - This was my first real collaboration with anybody on SongFight, and I feel that we pulled it off nicely. I’ve always wanted to do something with Puce because artistically I’ve always held him in very high regard. I put together all of the music, and Puce wrote all of the lyrics, performed all of the vocals, and did the final mix and mastering. Anybody that claims that the production quality was more important to us then the message of the song is just dead wrong.

Vaginal Cellphones - I had a girlfriend at one point that used the vibrate function on my cell phone vaginally. We where in the back of a movie theater and she rooted it up inside of herself then called my phone with her phone, sending wave after wave of pleasure through her body. At the time it was a lot of fun to watch, but my phone ended up smelling like, well, you know. Oh yeah. The song. Ummmmm, yeah. It’s unique. I don’t really feel like offering any production advice because I’m not sure this was a genuine artistic attempt. Your name however, is awesome. Really takes me back, you know.

EDIT[0]: Had to change a comma (,) to a period (.) because it was really bothering me.
EDIT[1]: Had to fix the font size down here because you couldn't even read this.
EDIT[2]: Added the word "however" to better complete one of the reviews.
EDIT[3]: Because I'm a freakin perfectionist. Leave me alone.
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Bjam wrote:It's like you've got one song, a chorus, another song, a chorus, another song, a chorus.
It's interesting to get this reaction because it's the same melody over the same chords at the same tempo. I kept the varied instrumentation becuase it indicated that you're probably dealing with three different protagonists in each verse, although linked sequentially in their parallel showbiz plights. I'll wager what throws everyone off is that the chorus doesn't share any chords with the verses.
Southwest Frequent Flyer wrote:I didn’t hear any of your lyrics until “Suck him off, Suck him off” because of how busy the music was. The mix is well mastered for your genre, but the instrumentation seems pretty cluttered at times.
This is also a little surprising, considering all you hear there is vocal over drum beat and one synth arpeggio (although it bounces between two patches). Like Deshead wrote about my "Let's Go Boy," it's probably a matter of two instruments playing the same register. I really ought to try something like Ice Cube's production - low tone/high tone and vox in the middle.
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Southwest_Statistic wrote:Seoup T. Gei ...buy a nicer microphone...
Maybe you mean more that I should use different eq and compression settings, or sing closer to the mic? I think this was a pretty nice mic. It's this one. I was also thinking about upgrading to one of these, I hear they're great (esp. in the bedroom,). But then I thought of this Awesome mic! that will allow me to dance and rock out as i sing, which is always my custom. Fuck just sitting there all "lined up" like a statue in front of the mic, just to get the proper 189.5Hz and 7.7kHz. Heh, makes me laugh thinking of doing that.
I was going for a thinner, more mid-rangey, "room" sounding vocal sound to match the reggae-ish vibe, and had to add more comp than usual because my voice was all over the map, dynamically. Could that be what's making it sound like a "cheap mic"? Cause I'm not sure what you mean.
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Carol Cleveland Sings recorded a "Policy of Rape", but, unfortunately, forgot to attatch it when submitting to the Fightmaster. A link to the song is here (If anyone is interested):

http://www.spintonic.net/carolcleveland ... ofrape.mp3

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boltoph wrote:www.radioshack.com
i gotta assume this is a very funny joke. if not.. you need help.
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Post by j$ »

Thanks for all the good reviews of the Cashpoint/Future Boy collab this week. Some of you might be interested in hearing my original demo, so that you can see how Future Boy took an okay song and turned it into something terrific. Most of the stuff I write doesn't really show my love of electronica, so Future Boy's big contribution is even better for me personally, because he brings that to the table.

Normally, I would be wary of posting in these circumstances, because inevitably someone would say 'oh but I like this better' ... this time, I sincerely believe that won't be anyone's reaction!

So without further ado, http://www.johnnycashpoint.com/johnnycashpoint_por.mp3

Thanks, Future boy!

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