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Billy's Little Trip wrote: Now after hearing your version compared to the MG production, they both have pluses. Your version has more life, MG's is very sterile. But MG's is sitting better in the field and better dynamics. Plus the added guitar bits are simple and needed. Although in the loud parts, the drums are lost, where they were there the whole time on your version, but that's partially because you didn't get too loud. Good song. One of my top picks this week. ;)

Thank you sir. I agree, and I will tell you that MGs time was cut short due to work related travel. He sent a list of things for me to do, including recording a doubled track of my guitar, and fiddeling with his guitar volume, among other things with more vocals... I had never worked in reaper before and it was a lot to figure out at once, and I obviously didn't get it done. I never think the drums are loud enough, so it's hard to tell where the line is between too loud and not loud enough, because I automatically have to compensate.
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BBABM wrote:this sounds like weird al singing for los lobos!
Ha! I've been compared to Al, but never Los Lobos! That's great! Now, if sounded more like the great David Hidalgo of Los Lobos, I'd be thrilled. He has one of my most favorite voices out there. Not that Weird Al is any slouch. Thanks for the comments and vote. My own comments soon.
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Quick comments. As usual, I'll be glad to elaborate or clarify. Decent fight, not as big as I expected.

Bad Boys at Bat Mitzvahs - Sounds like you're doing a live, half cocked performance, slouching with hand draped over the microphone. After the first verse, where it goes to an instrumental break, man, I'd love to hear your screaming voice come in there, like an octave higher then what the main voice is doing. Jim Morrison Jr. Regardless, a good, loping, confident rocker. Sounds great as well, between the two of yas.

Berkelyn Social Scene - Glad to hear Erin back, missing too long, with her easy care-free style, always sounding like a gentle and confident smile. I have no idea who's playing what here, besides Ken on drums, most likely a Glen lead. I'm psyched to see Roymond is part of this, and I am assigning him the wet-shoe guitar parts. This song has an airy, soaring gently through the clouds feel. It doesn't linger long after it's gone, but it feels good as it soothes you during its stay.

Billy & The Psychotics - Quietly, or perhaps less noticed, is BLT's skill as producer. He is a master of assemblage and here is proof. Slicing, dicing, Ginsu style, he stir frys a tasty tune from the four corners of the U.S. of A. Props to Quimby for managing to create tasty acoustic guitar parts where I was stumped to do anything. Nice. Denise delivers although we're all waiting to hear her shred her vocals a bit. As Steve Martin once said: "A little pain never hurt anybody" Good rocker that somehow makes me think of the Stones, although it is far from Stonesy.

Bubble Pipe Media - Dark and creepy, definitely a late-nighter. It's hard for me to follow the vocals but I enjoy their creepiness, to a point, anyway. I like all of the different sounds and digital manipulations, no obvious guitar sounds for miles althugh something in there could be one. Not needed, of course. Oddly, I enjoy the telephone sound very much. More singing might be nice as some of the vocals come off a bit self conscious. I'm a lousy singer, but miles better than I used to be just from doing it more. Let'er loose!

hillbilly - It's funny, this is like a finished demo. Meaning, it seems like you put an idea down for a song to finish later, but then finished what you had. Doesn't matter, it's got a nice feel, laid-back, open and honest. It's casual but not lazy. I like the heatbug harmonica in the background as well. Your playing sounds effortless and I'm sure that if I tried the same, it'd be all stiff and sloppy. Sounds great, if incomplete, but I'll take it as is. Good job.

Klownhole
- I am a fan of the Hole, so I am more forgiving than others, perhaps. Not that you all probably care. Anyway, I love the slow grind of this, and the recording levels sound well balanced compared to others in the past. However, after the spoken intro, I was psyched for the screaming voice that...didn't come. Wheres the pain, the torture, the howling lung inside outage? The booze? I like a documentary as much as anyone, but not in my Klownhole, thank you. Hey, at least there's no guitar solo.

MENBAH! - This is great. Your singing has improved over the years and this is a top notch performance. Great playing and the mid-eastern psycho space fest leadage in the middle is inspiring and divine. Knowing that section is coming is just as exciting as hearing it come out of nowhere the first time. Subtle builds and musical accents add up to a great arrangement. Story is simple and glad you explained it, but it works. Great tune, should fare well, deservedly so.

Merijamby - If this isn't JB, he should check to see if he has a long lost twin or something. The lyrics, borderline raunchiness and word play make sense to be associated with him as well. I'm figuring the Lunkster played slide and other parts on this as well, Erin supporting. Regardless, this would appear to be a "true" SongFight! entry: craft over production or cheap shit-out-ittude (See:Paco del Stinko) Amusing and fun, it doesn't overstay its welcome even if it doesn't make it onto any greatest song ever lists. Makes me wish I could sing and had a good voice. Thanks for sharing!

Paco del Stinko - This is from the pespective of Billy, the kid that fell into the magician's hat on Lidsville and tried in vain to escape each week. Look it up, youngsters, and see how wonderfully fucked up Saturday morning TV was in the early 70's. Broke out the baritone for some parts here, and tell Glennny there's no guitar solo!

Ross Durand - He's back! Very you, a nice story about a guy that appears to be more upbeat than I would be, most likely, in a similar situation. You always tell a good story, and that's the case here as well, painting images that are easy to see and understand. Nice progressions and still my favorite acoustic tone on SongFight! (You're right there though, Ken) Good length, good work.

Shambles Square - Each time this starts, I think that I won't like it. Yet I do every time. It's the near rhymes and wordplay that does it. The music is kind of goofy, although not as much so after it establishes itself. Smoke a carton of cigarettes and swill down some pints, then come back and do it Ian Dury style. I reckon this wouldn't work as well all sung out, so wise decision there. Fun.

Zinkline - Well, Roymond nailed it. I was instantly caught up in this, wondering what 80's band/vibe to compare it to. Don't grimace, but he's right when he called it Zinkline of Seagulls or whatever. It's the delay, I'm sure. Anyway, Martin retains his title as most daring vocalist at SongFight!, maybe one day he and I will share a song, both reaching for notes at the peak of our range. Not a dig, Martin! Spacey, but light, this moves along nicely. Easy to daydream during the delay parts, they do their job of making things heady but not hooky. The lyrics are clever and well written. Good album track.
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Stink--- It takes about a fith to play like me, your the player. Let me hit spell check, fuck you Cash point.
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Paco Del Stinko wrote:
Bad Boys at Bat Mitzvahs - Sounds like you're doing a live, half cocked performance, slouching with hand draped over the microphone.
I wanted my voice to have a cockey, sleezebag feel, funny that you likened it to Morrison, and the way I found it sounded right was almost exactly how you described. I was sitting, and almost quietly talking into the mic.
Paco Del Stinko wrote: After the first verse, where it goes to an instrumental break, man, I'd love to hear your screaming voice come in there, like an octave higher then what the main voice is doing. Jim Morrison Jr. Regardless, a good, loping, confident rocker. Sounds great as well, between the two of yas.
MG also said suggested a yelling/screaming part, i believe he said "with tons of reverb and echo". There was originally a fourth line " scream out loud for heavens sake, yeah" but it sounded better removed, and that line is kinda corny anyways. Thanks for the reviews!
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This would be a good time for me to review these songs. I'm tipsy, full of words and my breath smells like binaca and beer. (great song title)

....BUT, porn isn't going to watch it's self, sooo.......maybe later? :)
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BBABM: Nice evolving guitar part. It could use some sort of a B section to put it over for me.

BSS: This one has some swank to it. The keys especially establish the feel, and it's a place I like to be. Double-plus-like the solo, and didn't think it out of place. Good work all around!

BatP: Sounds like it's custom-made for my earholes, what with that lo-fi riff in the chorus and vox from the Frischmann/Post School of '90s Awesome. Not surprisingly, I love it.

BPM: Yeah, I'd like to have some audible lyrics so I'd know what it's about, but it's still got a nice softer-side-of-industry vibe that keeps me from disliking. It could also stand to be a bit longer, maybe with some kind of "Ruiner"-y guitar solo. Of course, every song could use one of those.

Hillbilly: Yup, it's a thumbnail sketch. Make it a song and I just may be interested.

Klownhole: I've never actually typed this before, but I'm gonna now: tl;dr. I'm on the record against long songs in general; to overcome that, your first 3:30 need to hook me. Straight-up reading isn't likely to do that. Sorry!

Me: Yup, it's a villanelle about winning a half-dozen Jeopardy games. Which I heartily recommend, btw. Tee hee.

Merijamby: Agreed with BBABM that the tambo could use some EQ love, but I didn't let it get in the way of this breezy bit of wonderful. Can I bathe in those BGVs? And did I just hear "trouser" rhymed with "schnauzer"? Pretty sure that's all it takes to get a vote out of me; I'm easy that way.

PdS: Pretty sure I haven't disliked anything of yours yet, and I'm not starting today.

Ross: I'm on the fence about this one, but I am willing to listen more times to decide. That's something, right?

Shambles: I think the main issue here is the way the vocal delivery oversells the cleverness a bit. Or tips it off, maybe. In any case, the song wears out its welcome by the end, and something a bit more deadpan would likely have saved it for me.

Zinkline: Totally '80s, but in a tubular way. From the delay on that opening guitar, to the lead that jockeys for position through the chorus, it's a nearly perfect replica. Sweet.
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hey look, i finally showed up
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Hi, Oats! Nice to see ya.
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Bad Boys at Bar mitzvahs-
Your demo sounded like Tool vocals on a cool tune. With MG mixing the Tool knob is cranked for the backing music. The vocal melody sticks a little too mumble rock, it’s a great platform to launch some serious scream from. So I’m a little disappointed the vocals didn’t intensify as the song went on. That said, this is a keeper, I really enjoyed it! Those riffs are infectious, the production is really great. I hope to hear more from this collab! (I’d love to solo over something like this, if you’d ever like to have me solo over something like this). VOTE

Berkelyn Social Scene-
I thought we were Brooklyn Social Scene? Anyway this is the core 5 plus Roymond. (Erin, Lunkhead, Ken, Marytyr, glennny). Jam day # 1 came and I like to have something written to launch from when we all get together. I was a little obsessed with “Clocks Grow Old” by I am Spoonbender that week. So the verse rhythm and riffs I wrote at work, in between tests. I shot over my crude notes to Ken who MIDI’d them up. It’s a funny thing to write things in your head and have to wait 12 hours before you can pick up your guitar and realize the idea. So I was at the space before anyone else. Apparently Roymond was at Beer Revolution for an hour while I was at the space doing a Hammond organ 50min fugue. The beat that I ended Lunk, Ken and Roymond walked in. I wondered how much of the fugue they were listening to. I think none. So we launched into the songwriting. Martyr and Erin showed up soon thereafter. Erin’s melodies stayed in her head that evening as well as her lyrics. She rejected my stanza that ended up in the Zinkline tune “too literal”. I swear I came up with the no rabbits clause, but it’s clear tht my subconscious read it and I didn’t. Anyway we got the writing done with Lunk on keys and the Roy-gtr, glennny gtr, Martyr bass, ken drums quartet playing live. Lunk left tired and sick along with Erin. The quartet recorded most everything as a live band. So it was a live solo. The subsequent overdubs were just Erin’s vocals and Lunks keys. Though if I didn’t know better I would’ve thought Lunks keys were recorded along with us. It was shocking in a very good way to hear Erin’s vocals. I totally agree we need her vocals more often. VOTE

Billy and the Psychotics- My challenge to you guys is to write a catchy chorus 1st, then write a song around it. You guys got bad ass production, drums sound great, bass is great, guitars sound phenomenal, vocals are excellent. I love the dynamics with the acoustic guitar. I love Denise’s voice, but it kills me a little we don’t get some backing vocal contributions from Billy and Paco and QUIMBY! I bet this kernel was the guitar riff. You guys keep getting better with each entry. VOTE

Bubble Pipe Media-
This barely holds my attention. I’m not a fan of the whisper vocals used this heavily. I like the farty sound. The dinosaur feet rhythm is very soothing and sleepy. I think overall I’m’ not getting something. Well the lyrics are one thing I’m not getting. Musically the vocals aren’t really melodic enough. So perhaps if I read the lyrics they may be more justified. I’m a firm believer in vocals should be entertaining even if you can’t understand the lyrics, be they mumbled or foreign.

Hillbilly-
You are an atrocious speller. That is ATRO SHUS. Of course you are a hillbilly, so we shouldn’t expect much in the way of spelling. How do you use the internet? This collection of country drawl and acoustic rambling is wise to be as short as it is. It is directionless and forgettable; however the pastiche of country-folky-mountain music would serve as background scenery if such an aesthetic were desirable. As the center of attention this song doesn’t hold up so well.

Klownhole
- This can go in my monster house mix CD. This is huge and dark and too slow for my tastes. I really don’t like spoken work, or news clippings or whatever is replacing the vocals on this. You guys are a good band, I like it best when you’re a straight up band. The organ inclusion is brilliant. I think I’d vote for this as an instrumental if the spoken stuff wasn’t there. Cool stuff!

Lord of Oats-
Extended version! Once you’re late, why edit it down? I love that there is a 2:30 solo at the end of this song. The arpeggios and infectious riff are super fun! Brian Eno said “if you repeat anything enough, it becomes profound”. It’s odd to me, you stay in your low register for the whole song. I keep wanting your higher voice to come out for a catchy chorus. Yeah, I woulda voted for this. Fun song!

MENBAH!- These lyrics are terrible. It’s a shame we can hear them so clearly. Your vocals are awesome, you’re really selling this bad material. This is another promising build up that doesn’t deliver. Wait a minute, the solo section at 2:25 is FANTASTIC! The harmonizer effect is well used. Wow, tht was a lot of life in a somewhat flat song. As a whole composition I can’t vote for this. That solo section might be my favorite part of the fight. Cool stuff!

Merijamby- Oh man! This is not a song. A song needs bass. Or cello. I think there’s enough percussion, but I’m starving for some low end on this guy. The lyrics are great. I didn’t know this project was going on. I know Lunk came up with the opening line, because he told me of this concept. I totally stole the good idea for the Zinkline lyrics. JB’s vocals are awesome! Everything is great! Love the backing vocals, LOVE the slide solo! This easily gets a vote even though it is not a song. VOTE!

Paco del Stinko- This is not a song. There is no solo. What a groove! I love the bass lick refrains the most! The backing vocals are tasty and hilarious. I think this awesome song sorely needs a solo. I’m glad you braced me for the lack of solo, but despite knowing that, with every break I still anticipate the blistering licks I’ve come to expect in a PDS tune like the last 103 PDS tunes. It’s nice to have something this uptempo! This easily gets a vote.

Ross Durand-
Solid folk tune. You are the master of Guy and Guitar. The guitar sounds perfect, the playing is sweet, the vocals and guitar interplay well! The dynamics are excellent. This may be normalish in terms of writing, but it is solidly good!vote

Shambles Square featuring MC Heapey
- I think the flow of the MC is a little sarcastic and patronizing. The backing music is pretty fun and variant. The drum and bass reminds me of a lo-fi Roni Size.

Zinkline
- AS mentioned I stole the opening line from Lunkhead. We had 2 hours left on the 2nd Tuesday of this song cycle. Roymond, Lunk and Erin were absent. We did some listening to the Berkelyn Social Scene mix before we decided what to do with the rest of the evening. I pushed for the jam/recording. All week I very much look forward to playing my electric guitar loud in a room with a live drummer and bass player. Ken and Martyr obliged. Initially Martyr said that echo guitar reminds me of Big Country. Then Roymond says Flock of Seagulls, and I read a U2 thing. To me Andy Summers is the godfather and master of echo guitar (the Police). Although State Shirt has taken it to new heights. Also David Gilmore especially in “Run Like Hell” has similar heavy delay. As a power trio, it’s fun to have the spacey super echo and rein it in for the chorus on the heavy one chord riff. My favorite bit is the Older Brothers backing “out of a Hat”. Ken’s drumming like a monster, Martyr is unleashed. This was just super fun, and I can’t stop listening to it. VOTE

Very Strong Fight everyone!
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Merijamby (not a song)
PDS (not a song)
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Glennny wrote:This is not a song. There is no solo.
Funny guy. Well, I'm working on half a song for the next fight then, by that standard, but will make a full, real song for whatever's next, just for you. Thanks for the comments. Weisenheimer.

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glennny wrote: Billy and the Psychotics- My challenge to you guys is to write a catchy chorus 1st, then write a song around it. You guys got bad ass production, drums sound great, bass is great, guitars sound phenomenal, vocals are excellent. I love the dynamics with the acoustic guitar. I love Denise’s voice, but it kills me a little we don’t get some backing vocal contributions from Billy and Paco and QUIMBY! I bet this kernel was the guitar riff. You guys keep getting better with each entry. VOTE

Each week, we just kind of tackle one hurdle at a time. More if we can. But you know how it is trying to get everyone in a collab together in the short time and put out a song you feel is worthy of submitting. But you hit the nail on the head with the lack of accompaniment in the chorus on this one. It's not bad, but could have been much bawlzier. I've already told myself that can't happen again. Paco and I keep wanting to hear Dee break loose. But the more I think about it, that might be the wrong direction to take her out of her comfort zone. Besides, she's a pro and knows what she's doing. WE are the ones that need to break it loose. Or at least me, because Paco is also busy doing his solo gig.
Thanks, Glennny. Like it or not, you have a good ear and give useful advice. ;)
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Glenn: Out of curiosity, were you put off by the poetic form, the subject matter, or something else? I only ask because I'm particularly proud of these lyrics. I was going for an oblique angle on a true story, with the villanelle twist thrown in for extra degree of difficulty. So how did I err?
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Glenny---- Thank you for caring about my education. You should have been here,fourty years ago, helped a brother out. Dont care for you, but your right, that was a drunken rambleming thing. Are you gay? it seems like most that try to disturbe me are gay. Are yall hitting on me.
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Menbah,

Of course you didn't err. I watched you on Jeapordy. This is all subjective of course. What really bugs me about the lyrics was the abundance of the nothing phrase "and that was that". It strikes me as a syllable filler and a cheap way to get the rhyme in. The story is great, the form is fine, you're obviously a brilliant guy. I think you could be more clever with your word choice. It's especially glaring because your voice is so strong and the enunciation is loud and clear. "terrible" was probably too harsh, I like the lyrics better when I read them rather than listen to them, but ultimately if it were up to me I'd tweak them. When words chosen to tell a story seem to be chosen far more for the rhyme than the meaning it drives me up a wall.

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glennny wrote:
Billy and the Psychotics- "My challenge to you guys is to write a catchy chorus 1st, then write a song around it".
.......
......".. it kills me a little we don’t get some backing vocal contributions from Billy and Paco and QUIMBY!"


That is a very good idea. Also I agree with the others and the singing. I would enjoy some more of that as well. Just one gals opinion :)

I also want someone to make "the noise" since I am participating in an outfit with guitars now. (the pick harmonic one? That goes "KOIIIIINNNIIG") best noise EVER in music.
Good job everybody by the way. :)
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I thought that was the best of the "hat" rhymes for A2 because it punctuated each part of the story: Basically, every time I went somewhere, "Then I went home, and that was that." It had the pleasant side effect of keeping me from doing play-by-plays that would make me sound cooler, since the theme of the song is that it could happen to anyone (and seriously, soooo lucky). That's also the reason why none of the lines start with "I." That could have been clearer, I suppose.

Anyway, thanks for the clarification! And the lovely (totally unnecessary) compliments. I know I sound like I'm fishing, but the one part of the lyrics I'm most on the fence about is how cryptic they are if you don't know the back story, so I kinda hedged by putting it in the liner notes. Uh, twice :oops:
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hillbilly wrote:Glenny---- Thank you for caring about my education. You should have been here,fourty years ago, helped a brother out. Dont care for you, but your right, that was a drunken rambleming thing. Are you gay? it seems like most that try to disturbe me are gay. Are yall hitting on me.
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MENBAH! wrote:BBABM: Nice evolving guitar part. It could use some sort of a B section to put it over for me.
yeah, most of my songs could use a B section...

glennny wrote:Out of a Hat

Bad Boys at Bar mitzvahs-
Your demo sounded like Tool vocals on a cool tune. With MG mixing the Tool knob is cranked for the backing music. The vocal melody sticks a little too mumble rock, it’s a great platform to launch some serious scream from. So I’m a little disappointed the vocals didn’t intensify as the song went on. That said, this is a keeper, I really enjoyed it! Those riffs are infectious, the production is really great. I hope to hear more from this collab! (I’d love to solo over something like this, if you’d ever like to have me solo over something like this). VOTE
thank you, i would love to sound as much like Maynard James Keenan as possible. now that i listen to it like i would a tool song, it could definitely use some screaming. i was originally going for very percussive punches in the lyrics "LIttle FAvor, NEver TAke ya" and to build the rhythm around that, but as i wrote it just sounded creepy and sleezy, so i went mumble because i felt the heavy lyrics would come across as frightening, which i suppose would have worked as well. i imagined a sleazy, greasy birthday magician singing this song to his audience, of which the birthday girl had started crying. i suppose if it was scary, i would have to change my image maybe to a creepy clown... but they dont really pull things out of a hat. as you can see i am very confused, and indecisive. thank you for your kind review and the vote!
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Paco, I would love for you to elaborate or clarify.
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Re: Pulling reviews (Out of a Hat)

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Lord of Oats wrote:Paco, I would love for you to elaborate or clarify.
I thought Paco's review of your song was perfectly clear.
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