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Nur Ein XVIII Round Two "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:56 pm
by Niveous
How will you handle Round Two?

Submit an original song by June 11th at 11:59 PM (EDT) that fits the following criteria

Title: The Numbers Don't Lie

Challenge: Use of the Royal Road chord progression

Send your MP3 to nurein.sidefight@gmail.com

Good luck!

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:41 am
by mama_pills
Ooooooooooo fun :)

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:55 am
by DutchWidows
Niveous wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:56 pm

Challenge: Use of the Royal Road chord progression

I misread that as 'Use of Royal Blood chord progression' and thought we were being asked to be petulant (see here as to why: https://twitter.com/TheRockRevival_/sta ... 69282?s=20).

The actual challenge is better than my imagined one!

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:18 am
by arby
Niveous wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:56 pm
Challenge: Use of the Royal Road chord progression
David Bennett! haha, nice!

for everyone else: Nivs loves this guy and watches his theory videos all the time. he looks like he's 12 but he's very very smart and great at explaining complicated concepts. I'm laughing because I'm happy for Nivs that he finally got to use a David Bennett video in a Nur Ein challenge.

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:09 am
by crumpart
David Bennett is tops. Tempted to try a shadow for this one even though my mother in law is still here.

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:34 am
by ujnhunter
Niv/Mo put this list together and I don't want anyone that doesn't quite understand any music theory to be left out here... I understand what it's like to not know what a IV - V - iii - vi means.

IV V iii vi

C Major: F - G - Em - Am
C♯/D♭ Major: F♯/G♭ - G♯/A♭ - Fm - Bbm
D Major: G - A – F#m - Bm
D♯/E♭ Major: G♯/A♭ - A♯/B♭ - Gm - Cm
E Major: A - B - G♯m - C♯m
F Major: B♭ - C - Am - Dm
F♯/G♭ Major: C♭/B - D♭ - Bbm - Ebm
G Major: C - D - Bm - Em
G♯/A♭ Major: C♯/D♭ - D♯/E♭ - Cm - Fm
A Major: D - E - C♯m – F#m
A♯/B♭ Major: D♯/E♭ - F - Dm - Gm
B Major: E - F♯ - D♯m - Abm

iv v III VI

A minor: Dm - Em - C - F
B♭ minor: E♭m - Fm - Db - G♭
B minor: Em - F♯m - D - G
C minor: Fm - Gm - E♭ - A♭
C♯ minor: F♯m - G♯m - E - B♭
D minor: Gm - Am - F - B
E♭ minor: A♭m - B♭m - Gb - C♭
E minor: Am - Bm - G - C
F minor: B♭m - Cm - Ab - D♭
F♯ minor: Bm - C♯m - A - D
G minor: Cm - Dm - B♭ - E♭
G♯ minor: C♯m - D♯m - B - E

Edit: Hopefully it's correct now. ;)

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:06 pm
by glennny
if you're adding 7s

IV is a major 7
V is a dominant 7
iii is a minor 7
vi is a minor 7

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:54 pm
by Niveous
I guess there's a question about using the 7ths or not using the 7ths and both ways will count. Japan likes it with sevenths, America likes it without. Who am I to judge? Wait... since I am judging, again both versions will count.

F
Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches
G
Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches
Em. Am
I love you

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:52 pm
by thirdcatmusic
Nice. I'm a fan of this guy's videos as well and had already watched this video. I like the idea of everyone using the same chord progression, should be interesting.

(and cool about being able to add extensions!)

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:12 pm
by gizo
Thanks for the updates, judges. Really appreciate that care.

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:25 pm
by Lunkhead
Honest question, is the expectation that we use that progression AND that we use it in a four measure pattern where each chord is played for one measure? Or is it just using that sequence of chords as the progression, and the timing can be whatever?

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:21 am
by Niveous
Good question. While the one measure method is preferred (as it would make it easier for the judges), it is not required to be structured that way.

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:49 am
by Niveous
Niv's extra good time challenge-

Reference this in your song, because the numbers don't lie:

https://youtu.be/msDuNZyYAIQ

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:10 pm
by glennny
To be clear, "use of the Royal Road progression" doesn't mean that's the only chord pattern I may use in my song right?
For example, the Royal Road progression is my chorus, whilst my verse, pre-chorus, solo, and bridge are different or variant chord progressions.

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:51 pm
by ujnhunter
glennny wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:10 pm
To be clear, "use of the Royal Road progression" doesn't mean that's the only chord pattern I may use in my song right?
For example, the Royal Road progression is my chorus, whilst my verse, pre-chorus, solo, and bridge are different or variant chord progressions.
That's good (preferable) to me. Hopefully the others can chime in.

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:58 pm
by vowlvom
Yeah definitely not expecting the whole song to use it. Although if you can make it work...

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 2:29 pm
by Heather. Redmon.
I'm certainly not expecting the whole song to follow the progression. But, a challenge is a challenge so if you can, go for it!

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:55 am
by Caravan Ray
And we don’t need to use the whole progression do we? In that particular order? One or two notes scattered about should be fine yeah?

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:21 am
by vowlvom
Personally I'm going to be ignoring the chord progression entirely and listening for sounds of royalty and road noises. Cybronica already got some revving engines into round one, the rest of you need to step up.

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:22 am
by Caravan Ray
vowlvom wrote:
Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:21 am
Personally I'm going to be ignoring the chord progression entirely and listening for sounds of royalty and road noises.
So - as long as I can use the recording of that time Print Harry farted in the street as I drove past Windsor Castle - I'm good to go?

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:50 am
by vowlvom
Caravan Ray wrote:
Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:22 am
vowlvom wrote:
Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:21 am
Personally I'm going to be ignoring the chord progression entirely and listening for sounds of royalty and road noises.
So - as long as I can use the recording of that time Print Harry farted in the street as I drove past Windsor Castle - I'm good to go?
Yep, and I'm just pencilling your name in at the top of the rankings based on this so you'd better not disappoint me.

Re: Nur Ein XVIII, Round Two: "The Numbers Don't Lie"

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:24 pm
by arby
guys... I think I might be done? worked on it ONE DAY (thinking about it all week). Imma sleep on it and see how it sounds tomorrow.

ALSO! I keep meaning to write reviews for R0 & R1 but since I keep not doing it, I just have to say that everyone who doesn't yet master their stuff should check out Bandlab's free mastering tool! It's really cool and works like a charm. Just because when we're listening to all the tracks at once, the ones that aren't mastered sound super quiet and it's harder to listen compared to the others. Free tip, do with it what you will. xoxo