Adobe Buys Macromedia

bortwein · Post by **bortwein** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:49 am

I know for any of us that use photoshop and flash, this is really big news. But right now I can't decide if it is going to be good news, or really EXPENSIVE news for the future. And how is this not a monopoly on the design market?

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrela ... media.html

Post by jb » Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:51 am

around the office here we're kinda thinking this might be the end of Go Live, and that they'll start to work on integrating Flash into PDFs.

Kamakura · Post by **Kamakura** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:41 pm

bortwein wrote:I can't decide if it is going to be good news, or really EXPENSIVE news for the future. And how is this not a monopoly on the design market?

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrela ... media.html

I'm highly dubious of this. It's bound to end up being expensive, though a common UI for all the products would be super cool. My guess would be that Go Live, Freehand and Fireworks will vanish, and Director and Flash will merge.

c hack · Post by **c hack** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:03 pm

Kamakura wrote:
I'm highly dubious of this. It's bound to end up being expensive, though a common UI for all the products would be super cool. My guess would be that Go Live, Freehand and Fireworks will vanish, and Director and Flash will merge.

People still use Director?

Kamakura · Post by **Kamakura** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:08 pm

c hack wrote:People still use Director?

Hell yeah. It's still the most powerful 'out of the box' multi media authoring tool there is. Especially if you've bothered to learn lingo and/or Javascript.

roymond · Post by **roymond** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:27 pm

Go Live and Freehand should be considered dead. Although they might retain some sort of "cheeper than Illustrator" version of Freehand, like they did with Pagemaker. But ... probably not.

Now, when will they buy Quark? And will it cost 3.4B?

mkilly · Post by **mkilly** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:12 pm

Quark's pretty marginalized now, isn't it?

Freddielove · Post by **Freddielove** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:04 pm

I'm still using it every other day, though not a huge fan.

I would think Director and and Flash would still remain separate programs, since they serve different purposes.

The Flash PDF idea is interesting.

Also to consider, will the new "Flash" be based on SWF or SVG? That would eliminate the need for plugins. That thought comes from the always excellent http://www.whatdoiknow.org

It was also mentioned that they could combine Freehand and Illustrator to create Frustrator. Better than Illhand I guess.

Kamakura · Post by **Kamakura** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:04 am

mkilly wrote:Quark's pretty marginalized now, isn't it?

Quark is still the de facto pre-press application (in the UK anyway).
We get a lot of sadly misguided people delivering content in word, which then gets converted to pdf and can be output through Quark. Pagemaker won't allow this.
Ultimately you use what you know, and once you know Quark it is very powerful, and quick.

roymond · Post by **roymond** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:07 am

Kamakura wrote:
mkilly wrote:Quark's pretty marginalized now, isn't it?
Quark is still the de facto pre-press application (in the UK anyway).
We get a lot of sadly misguided people delivering content in word, which then gets converted to pdf and can be output through Quark. Pagemaker won't allow this.
Ultimately you use what you know, and once you know Quark it is very powerful, and quick.

InDesign lets you place PDFs, and in some cases edit them in place. They kept Pagemaker around for flier production. InDesign is the Quark killer of their dreams. It's slow but the integration aspects can't be denied, so I figure it will continue gaining. But Xpress was the first true color production platform and the first powerful app that used plugins, which has been adapted by virtually everyone. Still an amazing application, and not one for amateurs.

Hoblit · Post by **Hoblit** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:08 am

suprised nobody has mentioned illustrator.

To me it sounds like they could merge those two and make flash like the 'image ready' for Illustrator. I mean to say that it would make a fine web ready side program for Illustrator.

Then again, maybe thats what director is? I'm not familiar with that product.

Post by jb » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:13 am

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"When you think of PDF, it tends to be more document-oriented.
It doesn't have the same kind of interactive richness as a
Flash player does."

Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen, on buying Macromedia in a brazen
attempt to seem less boring, San Jose Mercury News, 19
April 2005

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercuryn ... 431045.htm

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c hack · Post by **c hack** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:03 am

Photoshop and Illustrator should be merged into one.

Post by jb » Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:50 am

c hack wrote:Photoshop and Illustrator should be merged into one.

Dude, no way. Do you know how bloated that would be? There are so many features in each of those already... *cringe* a merged Photostrator would be just gigantic and unwieldy and take forever to load and use so much RAM... not to mention be hideously expensive with half the features on either side being unneeded for half the (PAYING) user base.

bortwein · Post by **bortwein** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:39 pm

jb wrote:
c hack wrote:Photoshop and Illustrator should be merged into one.
Dude, no way. Do you know how bloated that would be? There are so many features in each of those already... *cringe* a merged Photostrator would be just gigantic and unwieldy and take forever to load and use so much RAM... not to mention be hideously expensive with half the features on either side being unneeded for half the (PAYING) user base.

Macromedia Fireworks already acts similar to a Photostrator type program.

NeilThrun · Post by **NeilThrun** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:57 pm

Yeah, I'm really at a loss. How can Adobe be making money? Who actually buys Photoshop?

c hack · Post by **c hack** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:37 am

jb wrote:
c hack wrote:Photoshop and Illustrator should be merged into one.
Dude, no way. Do you know how bloated that would be? There are so many features in each of those already... *cringe* a merged Photostrator would be just gigantic and unwieldy and take forever to load and use so much RAM... not to mention be hideously expensive with half the features on either side being unneeded for half the (PAYING) user base.

They have smart engineers. They can make it not bloated. They also have smart UI people. PS and Ill take a normal amount of time to load. PSIL shouldn't be too much more. Everything uses RAM.

Come on, like half their user base doesn't use placed bitmaps (tiff files or whatever) in most of their Ill files? Why not do it all in one? Just give me Photoshop, and make the text tool just like Illustrator (instead of the crippled (by comparison) one it's got now), make the shape tools just like Ill (instead of the crippled (by comparison) ones it's got now), and that's it. The tools are already there in PS, they're just crippled versions of what's in Ill. Bring in all into PS. Speed can be determined by the number of pixels in your document.

c hack · Post by **c hack** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:39 am

jb wrote:around the office here we're kinda thinking this might be the end of Go Live, and that they'll start to work on integrating Flash into PDFs.

Anround my office here I'm thinking that maybe this means they'll add a FUCKING "CANVAS SIZE" FEATURE TO FLASH THAT WORKS LIKE IT FUCKING SHOULD (ie you can choose which sides get bigger/smaller)

Post by **Spud** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:43 pm

There is no way that a pixel-based program and a vector-based program should be merged.

Why not merge Word and Excel while you are at it?

Kamakura · Post by **Kamakura** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:29 pm

Spud wrote: Why not merge Word and Excel while you are at it?

Don't you mean destroy?

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